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Old 06-02-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Why should it though? That's how you teach kids that differences are wrong - that people who are different are freaks to be ridiculed and shamed. What horrible values to teach a child.
No.

A dress is an article of clothing associated with females. Girls, and women wear dresses. Boys and men do not wear dresses.

It's not wrong to teach that to a 4 year old. The same 4 year old would wear his superhero costume 24 hours a day if you let him. That means to school as well. Including in the bathtub. The kid doesn't learn reality from fantasy that way. In the real world we don't wear superhero costumes to school. Lesson #1.

The adult gives the child correct boundaries. Society is supposed to reinforce them.

When society doesn't reinforce what the child learns at home that are supposed to be constants in our world such as (females, girls, women wear dresses) there is a disconnect and confusion.

Think of growing up believing there's a Santa Claus and your parents reinforce that through your young life until some kid spoils it in kindergarten. Then you doubt what your parents say, you think there is a reason to lie in some instances, etc. It can really cause a child to mistrust and rebel against their parents.
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:59 PM
 
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Some Californians are concerned over a Bill that passed through the State Assembly last month that would allow Transgender Individuals to bypass dress codes and crossdress however they wish. I think its a legitimate cause for concern.

California Bill Could Protect Cross-Dressing in the Work Force - FoxNews.com

"A California bill working its way through the state legislature providing more protection for transgender individuals in the workplace could allow for cross-dressing employees to wear whatever they want to work, despite workplace dress codes."

"If you have a mother taking her son to a store for back-to-school shopping and the retail clerk is a man dressed like a woman, the mother is going to take her son and go to another store," said Daucus."
"... an assistant director for a Christian-run daycare center in Calif.,... agrees that the law could have an impact."
"Even if we change our hair, the kids notice right away. If one day a teacher comes dressed like a man and then the next day as a woman, the kids will wonder 'What's going on?'"


Read more: California Bill Could Protect Cross-Dressing in the Work Force - FoxNews.com

(I don't know how to do a poll; but if someone wants to add one and can, please go ahead.)

yes the gays are taking over the world. soon straight people will be experimenting, doing who knows what and our poor young innocent children will be so confused it will be easier for them to just be gay then to resit the lure of homosexuality around every corner of life. you really should start worrying about other things. get a grip
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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No.

A dress is an article of clothing associated with females. Girls, and women wear dresses. Boys and men do not wear dresses.

It's not wrong to teach that to a 4 year old. The same 4 year old would wear his superhero costume 24 hours a day if you let him. That means to school as well. Including in the bathtub. The kid doesn't learn reality from fantasy that way. In the real world we don't wear superhero costumes to school. Lesson #1.
+1
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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yes the gays are taking over the world. soon straight people will be experimenting, doing who knows what and our poor young innocent children will be so confused it will be easier for them to just be gay then to resit the lure of homosexuality around every corner of life. you really should start worrying about other things. get a grip
I would imagine teenage pregnancy would go way down wouldn't it ?
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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Some Californians are concerned over a Bill that passed through the State Assembly last month that would allow Transgender Individuals to bypass dress codes and crossdress however they wish. I think its a legitimate cause for concern.

California Bill Could Protect Cross-Dressing in the Work Force - FoxNews.com

"A California bill working its way through the state legislature providing more protection for transgender individuals in the workplace could allow for cross-dressing employees to wear whatever they want to work, despite workplace dress codes."

"If you have a mother taking her son to a store for back-to-school shopping and the retail clerk is a man dressed like a woman, the mother is going to take her son and go to another store," said Daucus."
"... an assistant director for a Christian-run daycare center in Calif.,... agrees that the law could have an impact."
"Even if we change our hair, the kids notice right away. If one day a teacher comes dressed like a man and then the next day as a woman, the kids will wonder 'What's going on?'"


Read more: California Bill Could Protect Cross-Dressing in the Work Force - FoxNews.com

(I don't know how to do a poll; but if someone wants to add one and can, please go ahead.)

Yes
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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No.

A dress is an article of clothing associated with females.

It's not wrong to teach that to a 4 year old.
Not everywhere and not always.

When you teach a child that "girls are suppose to look and act this way" and "boys are suppose to look and act this way", they end up learning that "girls who don't look and act that way are wrong" and "boys who don't look and act that way are wrong." That's teaching conformity - that's teaching that differences are wrong. They end up rejecting those who are simply different - they ostracize them. They treat them poorly - they bully them. What a horrible value system to impart to a child.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:03 PM
 
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No.

A dress is an article of clothing associated with females. Girls, and women wear dresses. Boys and men do not wear dresses.

It's not wrong to teach that to a 4 year old. The same 4 year old would wear his superhero costume 24 hours a day if you let him. That means to school as well. Including in the bathtub. The kid doesn't learn reality from fantasy that way. In the real world we don't wear superhero costumes to school. Lesson #1.

The adult gives the child correct boundaries. Society is supposed to reinforce them.

When society doesn't reinforce what the child learns at home that are supposed to be constants in our world such as (females, girls, women wear dresses) there is a disconnect and confusion.
a dress or skirt is not just associated with females. lots of cultures men where "skirts" kilts, sarongs, caftans, robes, fustanellas, hakamas,
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Because a dress is an article of clothing associated with women in Western Society. There is no reason for a non gender confused man to want to wear an article of clothing in public not associated with his sexual gender.

There are women who don't wear dresses. There are women who won't wear pants. Every woman has her reasons. There are women who wear jeans, and those who don't. Women have always had more clothing choices than men. What's your point?
My point is the word 'choice'.

What a person chooses to put on tells nothing about that person other than what they chose to put on that day.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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a dress or skirt is not just associated with females. lots of cultures men where "skirts" kilts, sarongs, caftans, robes, fustanellas, hakamas,
Because we live in American society I'm not going to raise my child as if they live on the tundra of Siberia. I raise my child to live and understand the world he/she lives in when they're elementary school aged according to the society they live in on a daily basis, they only need a limited knowledge of other cultures standards when they're 6 years old. They need to understand what we do here and how we live in the United States first because that's where they live. When they're older they have the sophistication to understand that around the world different people in different cultures have different standards from ours.

If crossdressing transsexual teachers happens to be a cultural norm somewhere else on the planet, they can learn about it when they're older.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
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Cultural acceptance in modern American society.

If you go to Saudi Arabia will you see men in Chador/Hijab/Burka? No.

Are men in Saudi pressing society to wear Chador/Hijab/Burka? No. Why? Because culturally it's women's wear.
So we should base our lives on what the Saudis do?

Lets ban women from driving as well! And voting!
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