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Old 06-02-2011, 08:45 PM
 
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LOL ....static models don't work...oh no...sure they don't.

Because the only way your B.S can work is if you put disparage all economic modeling....

That way your B.S can enter the equation.

Don't believe the economists....believe Hannity and Beck.
you still dont get it, and you never will. our economy is a dynamic one, if you raise taxes, you get less revenue, not more. it has been proven time and time again in the annals of history, but you refuse to even look back in history, thus you are doomed to repeat said history.

if raising taxes would increase revenues, i would be right behind you pushing for a moderate tax increase. but the reality is that raising taxes to increase revenues is a progressive fantasy. the only way we are going to increase revenues to the government is to increase the tax base, and that means we need more people working and spending money.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:50 PM
 
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you still dont get it, and you never will. our economy is a dynamic one, if you raise taxes, you get less revenue, not more. it has been proven time and time again in the annals of history, but you refuse to even look back in history, thus you are doomed to repeat said history.

if raising taxes would increase revenues, i would be right behind you pushing for a moderate tax increase. but the reality is that raising taxes to increase revenues is a progressive fantasy. the only way we are going to increase revenues to the government is to increase the tax base, and that means we need more people working and spending money.
I've even posted a graph showing revenues for the last 70 years, showing revenues remained rather consistant, despite the changes in tax rate. They still dont get it, but these are the same people who post tax cuts increased the deficit, even though reality is, it increased revenues.. You'd think they'd stop embarassing themself after awhile..
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:50 PM
 
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you still dont get it, and you never will. our economy is a dynamic one, if you raise taxes, you get less revenue, not more. it has been proven time and time again in the annals of history, but you refuse to even look back in history, thus you are doomed to repeat said history.

if raising taxes would increase revenues, i would be right behind you pushing for a moderate tax increase. but the reality is that raising taxes to increase revenues is a progressive fantasy. the only way we are going to increase revenues to the government is to increase the tax base, and that means we need more people working and spending money.
Wow. A right wing intellectual. "our economy is dynamic"...therefore "static modeling" doesn't work.

Did you notice all the objective sourcing he gave us that showed "static modeling" doesn't work?

Maybe he doesn't need to because he's an expert?

rbohm could you post your expert credentials on the wrongness of economic static modeling in "dynamic" economies?
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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Wow. A right wing intellectual. "our economy is dynamic"...therefore "static modeling" doesn't work.

Did you notice all the objective sourcing he gave us that showed "static modeling" doesn't work?

Maybe he doesn't need to because he's an expert?

rbohm could you post your expert credentials on the wrongness of economic static modeling in "dynamic" economies?
Congress already uses dynamic accounting because they acknowledge static modeling doesnt work.. And even the CBO, Urban Institute, Harvard University, notes errors in the static modeling.

AEI - Static versus Dynamic Scoring

Maybe again, you think you are smarter than all of these people combined.. Woo hoo hoo.. I'm so glad to have met a genius like you..
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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Wow. A right wing intellectual. "our economy is dynamic"...therefore "static modeling" doesn't work.

Did you notice all the objective sourcing he gave us that showed "static modeling" doesn't work?

Maybe he doesn't need to because he's an expert?

rbohm could you post your expert credentials on the wrongness of economic static modeling in "dynamic" economies?
you are the one that constantly claims that a static model works, prove yourself right. i have in fact studied economics on college. how about you?
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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Congress already uses dynamic accounting because they acknowledge static modeling doesnt work.. And even the CBO, Urban Institute, Harvard University, notes errors in the static modeling.

AEI - Static versus Dynamic Scoring

Maybe again, you think you are smarter than all of these people combined.. Woo hoo hoo.. I'm so glad to have met a genius like you..
Right wingers must go to right wing websites to disparage economic modeling when it suites their purpose.

Any reasonable person can go here for who and how the NYT came up with their budget modeling.

Behind the Times's Deficit Project - NYTimes.com

Here is an actual report from their experts that started the project off.

http://www.econ.berkeley.edu/~auerbach/dejavu.pdf

Believe the experts or a few CD random right wing ideologues.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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Right wingers must go to right wing websites to disparage economic modeling when it suites their purpose.

Any reasonable person can go here for who and how the NYT came up with their budget modeling.

Behind the Times's Deficit Project - NYTimes.com
Typical response.. simply attack others for posting facts that dispute yours, and then respond with a blog, that doesnt even support your position.

Again, static models DONT WORK.. The country is not STATIC.. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ohh I get it, its because it would stop you from just making things up.. We all know you dont want to stop doing that..

Again, did you see the CBO chart above? They use a static model, and you keep claiming thats accurate (I note you completely ignored it, odd)
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:15 PM
 
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Obama's health care plan is law....It's a done deal.

There are no more entitlement plans in the works.

Anybody that says this is lying.

And BTW the additional money required to fund "Obamacare" amounts to less than 2% of the Federal budget.

Yet 2/3 of the 15% of Americans who didn't have insurance will now have it.


Bad Law, and we are contesting it.
The government does not have the power to tell me to buy anything.

The Entitlements are already too much, don't need new ones to create a problem, we already have a big one.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:16 PM
 
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Typical response.. simply attack others for posting facts that dispute yours, and then respond with a blog, that doesnt even support your position.

Again, static models DONT WORK.. The country is not STATIC.. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend? Ohh I get it, its because it would stop you from just making things up.. We all know you dont want to stop doing that..

Again, did you see the CBO chart above? They use a static model, and you keep claiming thats accurate (I note you completely ignored it, odd)
Of course the do. You use the CBO data when it suits your purpose, you disparage it when it doesn't.

You were caught doing this long ago.....badmouthing the CBO estimates....but two days before using their data to bolster your half-truths.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:19 PM
 
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Of course the do. You use the CBO data when it suits your purpose, you disparage it when it doesn't.

You were caught doing this long ago.....badmouthing the CBO estimates....but two days before using their data to bolster your half-truths.
Nope.. not response in regards to the CBO data being so wrong..

And I do quote the CBO, when Democrats like to use it, but the CBO admits their data is flawed, (just like the Obamacare estimates)..

Again, since you keep ignoring it, why has the CBO data been so wrong, if you claim the static model works?
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