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Erm... there is another option. Stop spending so much dang money. Seriously! The US is giving money away around the world while we're trillions of dollars in debt. We borrow money to bomb countries and then borrow more money to rebuild them. We give corporations welfare (looking at you GM) and spend gobs of money fighting the "War on Drugs". How about we stop spending money?
I dont, but if you dont mind lying about other posters, you'll fit right in with the other liberals here who make claims but cant back them up..
I'm still waiting for you to backup your claim that the Executive Branch has carte blanc to do what they want in the event of a default. Nope.. nothing here.
I'd have a lot more respect for you if you'd just admit you were wrong rather than carrying on the nonsense. Thats twice on the same thread you were wrong.. You're off to a great start here..
You seem to be the only one with that opinion...
Do you also drive through red lights because you decide what is right and wrong?...maybe you should start.
Thats odd because I dont see ANYONE else claiming the president can do what he wants with the budget in the event of a default.
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Do you also drive through red lights because you decide what is right and wrong?...maybe you should start.
Its YOU wanting to decide whats right and wrong.
Again, what section of the Constitution backs up your claim? You seem to be the only one thinking the President can override Congress and the Constitution.
Thats odd because I dont see ANYONE else claiming the president can do what he wants with the budget in the event of a default.
Its YOU wanting to decide whats right and wrong.
Again, what section of the Constitution backs up your claim? You seem to be the only one thinking the President can override Congress and the Constitution.
OK OK Im gonna bite, I'm going against my better judgment and im going to attempt to educate you...a probable exercise in futility...
Clearly states “deferral of budget authority” to the Comptroller General who is an Executive branch member so serves the President...Thereby giving Obama De Facto control over the budget.
Furthermore to break it down "Barney-level" for you.
The Congress already voted for a budget they knew would require the debt ceiling to be raised.
Any vote NOT to raise the Ceiling on a budget they passed knowing the ceiling would have to be raised would be Unconstitutional and could be summarily revoked by Executive Order...if it even came to that.
1) you said it was in the Constitution. Thats not the Constitution
2) Thats the definition of "deferral of budget authority", not the authorization. Furthermore, 682, is part of 684 which clearly says
Whenever the President, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, the head of any department or agency of the United States, or any officer or employee of the United States proposes to defer any budget authority provided for a specific purpose or project, the President shall transmit to the House of Representatives and the Senate a special message specifying—
This means the president can DEFER the budget, it doesnt mean he can do whatever the hell he wants
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Clearly states “deferral of budget authority” to the Comptroller General who is an Executive branch member so serves the President...Thereby giving Obama De Facto control over the budget.
WRONG.. deferral: act of putting off to a future time
This doesnt mean the President can write his own, he means he can DELAY it Presidents CANT SPEND, until after Congress authorizes it, they can only STOP spending..
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Originally Posted by TheDirector
Furthermore to break it down "Barney-level" for you.
The Congress already voted for a budget they knew would require the debt ceiling to be raised.
Any vote NOT to raise the Ceiling on a budget they passed knowing the ceiling would have to be raised would be Unconstitutional and could be summarily revoked by Executive Order...if it even came to that.
WRONG.. Where on gods earth do you get bs from? They voted not to raise the debt ceiling doesnt pass a budget, and ALL budgets must FIRST be passed by Congress. Even the 14th Amendment referrs the debt to Congress.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Anyway I don't get paid to educate the uninformed so I'm not digging through to find you that section where you would most undoubtedly say its "misinterpreted" from the founders original intent anyway...
Translation:
I am wrong and don't want to admit it.
Default! I can't raise my debt level along with a heck of allot of Americans. How about stop supporting other nations for few years so the bills can get paid. After the bills are paid start giving a hand up not a hand out.
1) you said it was in the Constitution. Thats not the Constitution
2) Thats the definition of "deferral of budget authority", not the authorization. Furthermore, 682, is part of 684 which clearly says
Whenever the President, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, the head of any department or agency of the United States, or any officer or employee of the United States proposes to defer any budget authority provided for a specific purpose or project, the President shall transmit to the House of Representatives and the Senate a special message specifying—
This means the president can DEFER the budget, it doesnt mean he can do whatever the hell he wants
WRONG.. deferral: act of putting off to a future time
This doesnt mean the President can write his own, he means he can DELAY it Presidents CANT SPEND, until after Congress authorizes it, they can only STOP spending..
WRONG.. Where on gods earth do you get bs from? They voted not to raise the debt ceiling doesnt pass a budget, and ALL budgets must FIRST be passed by Congress. Even the 14th Amendment referrs the debt to Congress.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Your powers for dissembling are amazing..you chose to use another meaning of the world "defer" ignoring the context its written in.
defer (third-person singular simple presentdefers, present participledeferring, simple past and past participledeferred)
(law) To submit to the opinion or desire of another in respect to their judgment or authority.
But anyway...
What will you be saying when the Debt Limit is raised? Did the House Tea Partier's sell you out?
Because they are really just putting on a show you know...so they can go back to their constituents and say "Well we tried"...
So if its a good Idea NOT to raise it and everything I said is wrong and they have the power to NOT raise it then why will they end up raising it?
Interesting this, your Republican party do not want the wealthy taxed anymore yet they still want the same amount spent on toys like aircraft carriers etc.
So a question, should the USA default on it's debt or raise the debt level ?
How can congress pass a Law and then pass another law contradicting that law without even rescinding the first law?...Clearly unconstitutional.
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