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Old 06-07-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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Consider this quote from a comment in the 538 blog:

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So, there's a lot of polling on approval ratings, and the typical "right direction / wrong track" question, but is there any standard polling on the opposition? Given that the GOP just stood behind the Paul Ryan budget, which a lot of people see as political self-immolation, do we have a measure of whether people think that the GOP alternative would be a step towards the right direction or a step further down the wrong track?

It seems to me that a lot of the weakness in Obama's poll numbers comes from those who feel he's been fighting a house fire with a garden hose. Those same people are could easily see the GOP as standing by, ready to take over not with a fire hose, but with a bucket of gas.
Which is showing up in his "approval" poll numbers. There are a lot of liberals, including me, who have been very dissapointed in Obama but never in a million years will vote for a republican.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Which is showing up in his "approval" poll numbers. There are a lot of liberals, including me, who have been very dissapointed in Obama but never in a million years will vote for a republican.
Yeah, Democrats would rather vote ideology, even if the policies have been proven to be complete failures.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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Yeah, Democrats would rather vote ideology, even if the policies have been proven to be complete failures.
Such as?

It seems to me that Tax cuts for the rich and deregulation were the biggest failures this past decade.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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Mitt would be the same thing as Obama. If you vote for him, you're not voting for anyone different than who is already in office.
A vote for Romney puts an "America first" person in office.

Barry is bucking for a job at the UN where he can rub elbows with the other tinpot dictators and thugs.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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A vote for Romney puts an "America first" person in office.
Bullfeathers. Romney is progressive RINO.

Ron Paul 2012 is the only real change. The Constitution is the only real hope.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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A vote for Romney puts an "America first" person in office.
How would Romney more of a "America first" president than Obama?
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:20 PM
 
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Such as?

It seems to me that Tax cuts for the rich and deregulation were the biggest failures this past decade.
Such as lying about "tax cuts for the rich" that actually gave more to "the poor", increased government revenues, boosted jobs by 10,000,000, while lowering deficits. Compare this to the current policies and others since Democrats have taken over Congress. FAILURE!! Complete and TOTAL FAILURE!!
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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All Obama has to do is point to Texas if he wants to point at an example of Republican economic policy failing.
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Such as lying about "tax cuts for the rich" that actually gave more to "the poor", increased government revenues, boosted jobs by 10,000,000, while lowering deficits. Compare this to the current policies and others since Democrats have taken over Congress. FAILURE!! Complete and TOTAL FAILURE!!
1- How much more did the poor make during that tax cut era, including tax cuts in 2007 (using a "boom year") compared to 2000? How much did the top 5% make during the same period? I would also be interested in finding out how you computed on the poor getting more in tax cuts than the rich.

2- Lying would be claiming tax revenues increased after tax cuts. They did not. All numbers below in constant 2005 dollars:
2000
GDP: $11.2 Trillion
Federal Tax Revenue: $1.11 Trillion (10% of the GDP)
Number of Tax Returns: 128.23 Million
Federal Tax Revenue Per Tax Return: $8.7K

2007
GDP: $13.0 Trillion
Federal Tax Revenue: $1.05 Trillion (8% of the GDP)
Number of Tax Returns: 141.1 Million
Federal Tax Revenue Per Tax Return: $7.5K

Not only did the tax revenue decrease in absolute terms, in the best year the economy has seen since 2000, it also decreased relative to the GDP and per tax return.

3- Boosted jobs by 10 million? I guess more government jobs are key to the success of republican ideas. Considering:
Private Sector Jobs, Jan-2001: 111.634 million
Private Sector Jobs, Jan-2007: 114.993 million (46.7K jobs/month added over six years)
Private Sector Jobs, Jan-2008: 115.610 million (47.3K jobs/month added over seven years)
Private Sector Jobs, Jan-2009: 110.981 million (386K jobs lost per month in a year, for a total of 4.63 million... more private sector jobs LOST in one year than added since 2001)

But not all was lost...
Government Jobs, Jan-2001: 20.835 million
Government Jobs, Jan-2007: 22.101 million (17.6K jobs/month over six years)
Government Jobs, Jan-2008: 22.386 million (18.5K jobs/month over seven years)
Government Jobs, Jan-2009: 22.582 million (16.3K jobs/month added in a year)

So let us review Bush's economic record:
Private sector jobs added during eight years: -653K
Government jobs added during eight years: 1.75 million
Total jobs added during eight years: 1.094 million


Who is lying?
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Such as?

It seems to me that Tax cuts for the rich and deregulation were the biggest failures this past decade.
What about Ron Paul. He's a Repub but doesn't walk their walk.
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