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Old 06-07-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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But he's not using her name on the sign; how could it be libel?
If you can show in court it's a fallacious and defamatory statement specifically about her (which probably won't be that hard), then it's still libel.


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I agree that it is protected free speech, and I don't find it any worse (since there are no identifying details)
than the anti-God signs I see. That's free speech also, even if I don't agree with it.
Um, that's a very weird comparison. It's pretty downright nasty and hateful to publicly call out an ex as a murder because of an abortion/miscarriage by broadcasting it on a billboard. That's nothing like atheisst promoting their message that God doesn't exist, or Christians promoting their message that The One God does exist, or Hindus promoting their message that many Gods exist, etc. You comparison seems like apples to Cadillacs.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:26 PM
 
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If you can show in court it's a fallacious and defamatory statement specifically about her (which probably won't be that hard), then it's still libel.


Um, that's a very weird comparison. It's pretty downright nasty and hateful to publicly call out an ex as a murder because of an abortion/miscarriage by broadcasting it on a billboard. That's nothing like atheisst promoting their message that God doesn't exist, or Christians promoting their message that The One God does exist, or Hindus promoting their message that many Gods exist, etc. You comparison seems like apples to Cadillacs.
No, it's offensive to me --It's nasty and hateful and petty.
But it's free speech. I have to just get over it.

Again, he didn't use her name. How is he calling her out on anything?
He stated something on a billboard; he didn't identify himself either.
For all anyone reading the sign might know, it's just calling attention to the fact that a man might care about the stopping of a beating heart.

Edited to add: I see that the man on the sign is in fact him. No matter.
Again (and again and again) anyone looking at a billboard assumes that the people depicted on it are models, actors, or similar.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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I don't see how they get off taking the sign down just because it makes people uncomfortable. Are we not allowed to make people uncomfortable? I hope we are.

If he is lying about the girl, that's one thing. If not, where does the court get the authority to order that the sign be taken down?
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:34 PM
 
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Good on him. She murdered their child. The world has a right to know.
Ahhhh, the modern day Scarlet letter.

HE doesn't name her, so he will probably be able to leave the billboard announcement in place.

She should just rent her own bilboard promoting the fact that abortion is legal and that women have a choice of which men she allows to father her children. They have to have character worthy of bearing a child. Apparently, this guy is a ******** and a sore loser.

This guy sounds like trash.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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No, it's offensive to me --It's nasty and hateful and petty.
But it's free speech. I have to just get over it.
Attempted proselytizing is offensive to you? Are you equally offended by all such messages, or just ones that present beliefs you don't share?

I'm an atheist. I shake my head and perhaps scoff whenever I see a Christian themed, proselytizing billboard (which in this country probably outnumber Atheist billboards 1000:1 - or much, much higher if you consider signs at churches), but I'm not offended by them.


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Again, he didn't use her name. How is he calling her out on anything?
He stated something on a billboard; he didn't identify himself either.
For all anyone reading the sign might know, it's just calling attention to the fact that a man might care about the stopping of a beating heart.
Well, according to the story he very much did identify himself. The billboard showed a picture of him, and the words spoke about his murdered, would be 2-month old baby. Unless he impregnated several women at or near the same time who then aborted/miscarried, it would be extremely easy to show in court he was specifically making a statement about his ex.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: California
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But it's free speech. I have to just get over it.
If free speech was respected and used to protect the right that it was intended we wouldn't have to "get over" it. We literally made a mess with this.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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Valid point. He didn't include any identifying information about the ex girlfriend. So hmmm....
It would seem as though her privacy was protected since her name was not placed on the billboard.

Apparently she (or her attorney) doesn't think that aborting a child causes the father of that child any mental anguish?

Interesting case.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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perhaps the ex girlfriend should put up a billboard about his small manhood or third nipple. the man is obviously a jerk to put up the billboard. a woman has the right to privacy. the public also assumes facts not in evidence, how does one really know if it is true or not?
Her right to privacy ends at the juncture of her interaction with others. The topic is a matter of both parties and she has no power or right to dictate the privacy of another in such grounds.
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Illinois...for now
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Unless he impregnated several women at or near the same time who then aborted/miscarried, it would be extremely easy to show in court he was specifically making a statement about his ex.

Maybe this is why he's the ex?
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Old 06-07-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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perhaps the ex girlfriend should put up a billboard about his small manhood or third nipple. the man is obviously a jerk to put up the billboard. a woman has the right to privacy. the public also assumes facts not in evidence, how does one really know if it is true or not?
When this woman decided to share her body and its reproductive attributes with this man she no longer had exclusive rights to the product and consequences of that "sharing." The baby that she aborted was not created by immaculate conception and thus the other party to its creation had rights that apparently were completely ignored or probably never considered at all. I know some of you are protesting that it was "her body" and "her right" to do with it as she pleased but that just isn't so. The moment she involved another person in the life-creation process she gave up the exclusivity. Bottom line is that the daddy had an equal right to the decision as to what to do about the pregnancy and when he wasn't accorded that right, she lost her right to privacy.
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