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Old 06-09-2011, 07:01 PM
 
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I'll leave America to the teabaggers. I won't wait until they turn us into a Third World Country.
Canada is more libertarian than the US.

The jokes on you.

 
Old 06-09-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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They have a better standard of living for their population overall. They have less crime, less racism, less ignorance, less poverty, less political divide, less guns, less pollution... and on top of that they have an excellent public education system (Canada is one of the most educated societies in the world), a universal health care system that covers everyone both rich and poor, and a sound economy.

Canadian cities consistently rank as the cleanest and the most livable in the world with Toronto, Ontario; Calgary, Alberta; and Vancouver, British Columbia routinely taking the top spot. If I get the chance to move to Canada I'll do it in a heartbeat. It's a perfect place to live if you ask me. I'll leave America to the teabaggers. I won't wait until they turn us into a Third World Country.
Simple. Less people - more space

Make sure you are healthy before relocating to Canada
permanently. You have to pass a medical exam
 
Old 06-09-2011, 07:41 PM
 
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Make sure you are healthy before relocating to Canada
permanently. You have to pass a medical exam
Oh, Canada discriminates on the basis of preexisting conditions.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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Huge news item to embarass someone today on the Sympatico news site: "Canada moves to deport model family with autistic child". An oriental family that has been here for a while and apparantly completely self sustaining in other areas is being denied citizenship due to their autistic child being a burden on health care system along with other social services awarded to citizens with autistic children.
This one is getting everyone stirred up as we've allowed boat loads of refugees to remain with any number of pre-existing conditions from countries that are not listed as needing refugee status granted.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/south-korean-family-facing-deportation-over-autistic-son-allowed-to-stay-in-new-brunswick/article2054383/ (broken link)

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Old 06-09-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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Originally Posted by I Drink Water View Post
Canada is more libertarian than the US.

The jokes on you.
How is a country with what is essentially a universal health care system and higher tax rates more libertarian than the United States?
 
Old 06-09-2011, 08:11 PM
 
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There's no political meddling in the financial system, and they don't subsidize home ownership by gutting underwriting standards as Barney Frank did, which is why their economy is among the soundest ones on the planet, and they were unscatched by the worldwide financial collapse.

However, the rampant healthcare rationing is another matter entirely, which is why their most well-off citizens will hop on a plane to the USA if they need a major procedure of any kind, a la world leaders from around the world who've been doing just that for ages.
Oh Really!

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Canadians visiting the US to receive health care

Some residents of Canada travel to the United States because it provides the nearest facility for their needs. Some do so on quality grounds or because of easier access. A study by Barer, et al., indicates that the majority of Canadians who seek health care in the U.S. are already there for other reasons, including business travel or vacations. A smaller proportion seek care in the U.S. for reasons of confidentiality, including abortions, mental illness, substance abuse, and other problems that they may not wish to divulge to their local physician, family, or employer.
Canadians offered free care in the US paid by the Canadian government have sometimes declined it. In 1990 the British Columbia Medical Association ran radio ads asking, "What's the longest you'd wait in line at a bank before getting really annoyed? Five minutes? Ten minutes? What if you needed a heart operation?" Following this, the government responded, as summarized by Robin Hutchinson, senior medical consultant for the health ministry's heart program. Despite the medically questionable nature of heart bypass for milder cases of chest pain and follow-up studies showing heart bypass recipients were only 25-40% more likely to be relieved of chest pain than people who stay on heart medicine, the "public outcry" following the ads led the government to take action:

"'We did a deal with the University of Washington at Seattle' said Hutchinton.. to take 50 bypass cases at $18,000 per head, almost $3,000 higher than the cost in Vancouver, with all the money [paid by] the province..In theory, the Seattle operations promised to take the heat off the Ministry of Health until a fourth heart surgery unit opened in the Vancouver suburb of New Westminster. If the first batch of Seattle bypasses went smoothly..then the government planned to buy three or four more 50-head blocks. But four weeks after announcing the plan, health administrators had to admit they were stumped. 'As of now..we've have nine people sign up. The opposition party, the press, everybody's making a big stink about our waiting lists. And we've got [only] nine people signed up! The surgeons ask their patients and they say, "I'd rather wait", We thought we could get maybe two hundred and fifty done down in Seattle..but if nobody wants to go to Seattle, we're stuck,'".[73]
In a Canadian National Population Health Survey of 17,276 Canadian residents, it was reported that only 0.5% sought medical care in the US in the previous year. Of these, less than a quarter had traveled to the U.S. expressly to get that care.[74]
A 2002 study by Katz, Cardiff, et al., reported the number of Canadians using U.S. services to be "barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home" and that the results "do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States."[75]

According to a September 14, 2007, article from CTV News, Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach went to the United States for breast cancer surgery in June 2007. Stronach's spokesperson Greg MacEachern was quoted in the article saying that the US was the best place to have this type of surgery done. Stronach paid for the surgery out of her own pocket.[76] Prior to this incident, Stronach had stated in an interview that she was against two-tiered health care.[77]
When Robert Bourassa, the premier of Quebec, needed cancer treatment, he went to the US to get it.[78]
In 2007, it was reported that Canada sent scores of pregnant women to the US to give birth.[79] In 2007 a woman from Calgary who was pregnant with quadruplets was sent to Great Falls, Montana to give birth. An article on this incident states there were no Canadian hospitals with enough neo-natal intensive beds to accommodate the extremely rare quadruple birth.[80]
A January 19, 2008, article in The Globe and Mail states, "More than 150 critically ill Canadians – many with life-threatening cerebral hemorrhages – have been rushed to the United States since the spring of 2006 because they could not obtain intensive-care beds here. Before patients with bleeding in or outside the brain have been whisked through U.S. operating-room doors, some have languished for as long as eight hours in Canadian emergency wards while health-care workers scrambled to locate care." [81]
In 2010, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams traveled to the US for heart surgery.[82]

In 2005 Shona Holmes of Waterdown, Ontario, traveled to the Mayo Clinic after deciding she couldn't afford to wait for appointments with specialists through the Ontario health care system.[83][84][85][86][87][88][89][90] She has characterized her condition as an emergency, said she was losing her sight, and portrayed her condition as life-threatening brain cancer. OHIP did not reimburse her for her medical expenses. In 2007 she joined a lawsuit to force the Ontario government to reimburse patients who feel they had to travel outside of Canada for timely, life-saving medical treatment. In July 2009 Holmes agreed to appear in television ads broadcast in the United States warning Americans of the dangers of adopting a Canadian style health care system. After her ad appeared critics pointed out discrepancies in her story, including that Rathke's cleft cyst, the condition she was treated for, was not a form of cancer, and was not life-threatening.[91][92] In fact, the mortality rate for patients with a Rathke's cleft cyst is zero percent. [93]
In short, sometimes Canadians travel the the United States for special procedures or treatments but the overwhelming majority of Canadians get their health care in Canada.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 08:19 PM
 
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Aren't there plans to fuse the two countries anyway?
So long as it's 2 and not 3.
 
Old 06-09-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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So long as it's 2 and not 3.
No Canadians prefer to sit on top of us. Most of them would vehemently oppose been absorbed into the US.
 
Old 07-07-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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Canada is eating our lunch, they are not a divided people, and do not allow corps to Loot the country, No Outsourcing !!, REALLY, HOW TELLING !! USA= Immoral Hell Hole, If you want an indicator of a countrys MORALS, look at the prison system............Disgraceful !!
 
Old 07-08-2011, 03:13 AM
 
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As a neutral I can fix this debate, split the US into upper and lower states, the lower states form their own conservative, religious country.
The upper states change into provinces with a premier per province, they join Canada in becoming Her Majestie's loyal realm of the United provinces of Canada.

The lower states can practice religion, the upper states in inhaling the finest green.
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