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Old 11-02-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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This thread is now relevent again. Wow drs are talking about leaving.. Who would have guessed that!
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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No attention was paid to healthcare reform? Are you *%&#$(* nuts? Read a newspaper since 2008 much?



Perhaps you should learn the English language before complaining about other people. I'd point out your grammar mistake there, but it's better that you get your head out of the sand and learn from your mistakes.

Incidentally, Republicans chose to not participate at all in the Healthcare reform. They could have, with very little effort, guided the reform, but they chose not to participate.
Wrong. They were frozen out by Democrats who never allowed ANY GOP introduced legislation to ever be considered.

But you know that. Why did you lie?
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:14 PM
 
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If a market based system rose up...

But, alas, we get another freaking unbelievable GSE...

Stuck on stupid comes to mind.
Actually, I think there's going to be huge shift to fully market-based health care. You're going to see a shift to cash-based medicine rapidly. The costs of compliance with the ever migrating and ever-morphing demands of accepting insurance, plus the addition of many, many millions of people who suddenly find themselves newly uninsured could bring about a near instant revolution.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: PNW
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No attention was paid to healthcare reform? Are you *%&#$(* nuts? Read a newspaper since 2008 much?



Perhaps you should learn the English language before complaining about other people. I'd point out your grammar mistake there, but it's better that you get your head out of the sand and learn from your mistakes.

Incidentally, Republicans chose to not participate at all in the Healthcare reform. They could have, with very little effort, guided the reform, but they chose not to participate.
Oh the irony in regards to your username
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I guess that will dramatically increase the cost of Obamacare.

Wonder if the administration planned on this high percentage of businesses to stop offering health insurance?

Wait until people see how expensive buying the insurance (individual policy even in a state pool) will be.
Yep. Should be happening right before the 2014 midterm elections next November.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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Incidentally, Republicans chose to not participate at all in the Healthcare reform. They could have, with very little effort, guided the reform, but they chose not to participate.
That's strange I recall them trying to submit amendment after amendment after amendment, and having every single one blocked by the Democratic controlled house. I recall the President not even giving lip service to his promise to bring both sides into the discussion on this bill. I recall the democratic jamming this down the throats of Americans over the protest of those that didn't want it.

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Perhaps you should learn the English language before complaining about other people. I'd point out your grammar mistake there, but it's better that you get your head out of the sand and learn from your mistakes.
Typical liberal response, don't address the issue find something trivial and mock the person instead.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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That's strange I recall them trying to submit amendment after amendment after amendment, and having every single one blocked by the Democratic controlled house. I recall the President not even giving lip service to his promise to bring both sides into the discussion on this bill. I recall the democratic jamming this down the throats of Americans over the protest of those that didn't want it.

Typical liberal response, don't address the issue find something trivial and mock the person instead.
That, actually, would be the typical conservative response.
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Old 11-02-2013, 05:08 PM
 
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By relying on the private sector to cover the uninsured?
No, by turning insurance into a very large government-controlled private bill paying pool.
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Old 11-02-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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Obama and the Democrats have a problem - not only is the Healthcare.gov website a failure, which they knew for a fact before it launched ..... BUT now the Media is reporting on "what's in this law". The fact that the Media is now looking at this Disaster is probably Obama's biggest problem - he has gotten away with this stuff because the Media ignored it. Those days are gone now - turns out that the same Media that were cheerleaders are NOW losing some of their Health Insurance.

Obama issued a Decree earlier this year that gave Business Employers a 1 year "Delay" to comply with ObamaCare - this actually the "BIG" story because the relatively small number of Individual Insurance buyers are already finding that they "can't keep" their Insurance, their Doctors or their Hospitals. They are finding out that their payments are going up and their Deductibles are going up. We now know that Obama and his Team knew this would happen.

Next year, the Mandates on Business purchased Insurance will kick back in and the numbers are very bad on this - Obama and his Team are also aware of this ..... but the majority of people who have this Employee provided Insurance are clueless today about what they face next year.

Mid-range estimate: 51% of employer-sponsored plans will get canceled - Forbes

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Section 1251 of the Affordable Care Act contains what’s called a “grandfather” provision that, in theory, allows people to keep their existing plans if they like them. But subsequent regulations from the Obama administration interpreted that provision so narrowly as to prevent most plans from gaining this protection.

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

Another 25 million people, according to the CBO, have “nongroup and other” forms of insurance; that is to say, they participate in the market for individually-purchased insurance. In this market, the administration projected that “40 to 67 percent” of individually-purchased plans would lose their Obamacare-sanctioned “grandfather status” and become illegal, solely due to the fact that there is a high turnover of participants and insurance arrangements in this market.
We are talking about almost 1/3 of our entire population - 93 Million people ..... that's serious business. Turns out that the majority (huge majority in some States) of those that are "signing up" are really enrolling in Medicaid. It appears that these people did not realize they were eligible for Medicaid. States will pick up a lot of that Tab.

The events of this month are only the Tip of the Iceberg - wait until employers start sending those same letters that the Insurance companies are now sending to people that have purchased Insurance from them for years.
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