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Old 11-22-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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One of those was election 2008 noise and the other is election 2012 noise. When will we get some truth that is not tied to Obama's election? I guess we will have to listen to talk like this till the day after the coming election, if there is, indeed, one of those in 2012.

Since I drink water from the Ogallal Aquifer I don't agree with all the talk about that pipe line but I am not trying to buy votes for Obama as a treehugging environmentalist either.

The Pipeline Sellout - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:47 AM
 
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One of those was election 2008 noise and the other is election 2012 noise. When will we get some truth that is not tied to Obama's election? I guess we will have to listen to talk like this till the day after the coming election, if there is, indeed, one of those in 2012.

Since I drink water from the Ogallal Aquifer I don't agree with all the talk about that pipe line but I am not trying to buy votes for Obama as a treehugging environmentalist either.

The Pipeline Sellout - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online
I live in Nebraska, as well. I don't get all the complaints about it. It's going to be encased in cement. What's the issue? It's a lot of jobs and a lot of oil that we'd be passing up.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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I live in Nebraska, as well. I don't get all the complaints about it. It's going to be encased in cement. What's the issue? It's a lot of jobs and a lot of oil that we'd be passing up.
Since the Canadian company that wants to construct the pipeline has agreed to move it further east in Nebraska I am not sure why any of us are arguing about it other than the way Obama was and is using it to gain some votes in the upcoming election, that he may allow to take place.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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One of those was election 2008 noise and the other is election 2012 noise. When will we get some truth that is not tied to Obama's election? I guess we will have to listen to talk like this till the day after the coming election, if there is, indeed, one of those in 2012.

Since I drink water from the Ogallal Aquifer I don't agree with all the talk about that pipe line but I am not trying to buy votes for Obama as a treehugging environmentalist either.

The Pipeline Sellout - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online
I'm with you on the aquifer--I don't think some Washington Rs realize they're ticking off their own base in the midwest/great plains when they make a stink about this one. It's a dumb political move.

In the article, Krauthammer conveniently left out the part about how pipe cris-crosses over the aquifer in areas where the soil isn't permeable (damage from a spill would be minimized), but that the controversy was over the portion they proposed through the Nebraska Sand Hills where it's deep sand covered with prairie grass--there's zero pipe there now. The Ogallala aquifer isn't an underground lake--its water in the sand, and the aquifer water table is a couple of inches below the surface there. The pipe would have been buried in the sand and our drinking and irrigation water. He also left out the part about how it was stopped by Nebraska's republican congressional delegation, governor, and state legislature working hand in hand with environmental groups (a first--both sides were shocked). All Nebraskans want is for the pipe to be rerouted to a safer area, they fought back, and that's what we're going to get.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:40 AM
 
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I live in Nebraska, as well. I don't get all the complaints about it. It's going to be encased in cement. What's the issue? It's a lot of jobs and a lot of oil that we'd be passing up.
How could you not follow this if you live in Nebraska? It's been the headlines in the papers and the lead story on most news for months?

The state would have had zero control over the safety provisions or the route, so you don't know what the safety provisions would have been--that's why the R's went nuts over it and got the route changed. We didn't turn the pipeline down--we're forcing them to reroute it out of the Sand Hills, probably by the existing keystone line just west of Omaha. We're in special session to do it right now--remember? We come back for all the home football games and have season tickets--we were in the stadium for the Nebraska/Fresno state game when the entire stadium erupted into boos when a trans canada ad came on the screen. The only people who supported putting this thing through the Sand Hills were a few labor groups in Omaha.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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One of those was election 2008 noise and the other is election 2012 noise. When will we get some truth that is not tied to Obama's election? I guess we will have to listen to talk like this till the day after the coming election, if there is, indeed, one of those in 2012.

Since I drink water from the Ogallal Aquifer I don't agree with all the talk about that pipe line but I am not trying to buy votes for Obama as a treehugging environmentalist either.

The Pipeline Sellout - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online

Krautheimer doesn't approve of something Obama did/said.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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One of those was election 2008 noise and the other is election 2012 noise. When will we get some truth that is not tied to Obama's election? I guess we will have to listen to talk like this till the day after the coming election, if there is, indeed, one of those in 2012.

Since I drink water from the Ogallal Aquifer I don't agree with all the talk about that pipe line but I am not trying to buy votes for Obama as a treehugging environmentalist either.

The Pipeline Sellout - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online

Now surely you aren't saying that the President is going to prevent the upcoming election, are you?
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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One of those was election 2008 noise and the other is election 2012 noise. When will we get some truth that is not tied to Obama's election? I guess we will have to listen to talk like this till the day after the coming election, if there is, indeed, one of those in 2012.

Since I drink water from the Ogallal Aquifer I don't agree with all the talk about that pipe line but I am not trying to buy votes for Obama as a treehugging environmentalist either.

The Pipeline Sellout - Charles Krauthammer - National Review Online
Are you on something? I can't make any sense of that post. I'm pretty sure there'll be an election in 2012. In fact, I'll bet you everything you own that there will be.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Are you on something? I can't make any sense of that post. I'm pretty sure there'll be an election in 2012. In fact, I'll bet you everything you own that there will be.
I missed that part. How could we not have an election? Please--no explanations about we're going to have martial law and suspended elections (I mean the OP--not you). I need all my tinfoil for the turkey on Thursday, and I don't have time for hat making.
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