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Old 06-27-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Best post I've read here in years. Amen! No thought and full of generalizations

Just 16 months until the colossal boob is voted out of office, BTW.
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:49 AM
 
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The wealthy should be treasured for what they accomplished and by all the rest of Americans who they employ. By taxing the hell out of them you are closing the engine of America down and lowering the whole living standard of this country.
Cut the hell out of government spending. We have a spending problem.
Limit Federal top rates to 28% and you will see the can-do people busting their butts to make money and to gain wealth. That rate doubled money to the treasury before and can again.
The wealthy are NOT employing Americans. They are employing the Chinese and the Indians and the Indonesians and wherever the lowest wage, least regulated spots on the globe are. The wealthy still want slavery to exist and if they can't have it in this country they simply go to markets that allow it. Paying 35 cents an hour and using child labor is still slavery you know. The American "Engine" ran beautifully at FULL FUNCTION during the Clinton administration and the wealthy were not hurting in the least little bit at 34% tax rate. 28% is ridiculous with them owning 80% of the country's wealth. Why, oh why, do middle class Americans such as yourself.....need to protect the wealthy? Because Rush Limbaugh told you so? It's ridiculous for you to abandon your own class to carry the water of the classes above you. Hero worship doesn't do you any favors.
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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Where is an unskilled worker going to get TWO jobs in this economy?

And even if they could get two jobs, how are they going to get from home to Job A to Job B and back home the same day if they don't have a car?

Not to mention the scheduling issues: one time I had two jobs that worked out without schedule conflicts for several months...then when the Fourth of July came around, both employers wanted me to work at the same time, nobody else wanted to trade their shift with me, and I literally had to choose which job I wanted to keep.
You get the life you make for yourself. No one is going to 'give you' a job. There are jobs to be had, you just have to show how you add value to that company. Start a business on the side, do an online work from home job, etc. If you work 40 hours/week, sleep 7 hrs/night and eat/relax 4 hrs/day, that still leaves over 50 hours per week to build a second job for yourself. And how do you get to your job? A bus pass is cheap, and you can find a bicycle on craigslist for next to nothing.

People who are motivated enough do not stay unemployed for long.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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What is a "fair share"? The share that represents how much protection you recieve from the government. If you have a lot of wealth you should apy a substantial tax to protect that wealth thorugh the Law. If you have very little and should pay very little or nothing for getting nothing.

Please search for GregW and Taxes for what I consider a fair taxation plan.
You've just described gangsterism: "Nice little business you have here. It'd be a shame if something were to happen to it." It's called extortion, if you're wondering.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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I don't kow why nobody else has figured this out, but the last decade has sucked for just about EVERYBODY. The major stock indexes are about where they were 12 YEARS ago, real estate prices stink especially for resort and vacation property, and billions of wealth were lost to Bernie Madoff and Alan Stanford. Exactly my points. During the Clinton Admin, everyone was doing VERY well. Everyone was working, home ownership was at the top, wages were at the cost of living....then the elistist wealthy folk got ahold of the country and boom. Haliburton, Enron, Countrywide, Madoff, Stanford as you mentioned, and two unfunded wars and a wall street bailout followed by a big old tax cut for those SAME wealthy people that just screwed over the entire country. AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SORRY FOR THEM? Seriously???? Their resort and vactaion property values felll. Poor things.

Meanwhile the government is creating huge losses to capital by proposing the loss of 20% of our electricity-generating capacity and many industrial plants, stifling domestic energy production and ratcheting up our expenses, and creating huge new regulatory burdens that we the people will ultimately pay for. If large corporations in the energy field took care of protecting the country and the air/water we ALL need to live from, then there would be no reason to have regulation. These companies are always the first ones to whine and complain about regulation but they refuse to regulate themselves at our expense! NEVER in the history of this country has a company not complained that anything required of them that may pull the tiniest of profits from their bottom line, that the sky wasn't falling! OMG its ridiculous. Instead they should be allowed to have oil spills such as the one last year....and do nothing about it? Mining accidents, oil spills, polluction of lakes, rivers, air.....all to allow them unprecedented profits....unregulated completely if they had the ability to make it happen. The government isn't making huge losses to anyone other than those that are making a "usuary" amount of profits to begin with. Regulate themselves, and the government wouldn't have to. Don't and they willl....its a simple solution.

We would all be better off if we realized that we all pay for the cost of doing business--punishing an industry is punishing the people who consume the products of that industry. Fairness comes from spreading the profits al the way down the ladder....remember the old Reaganomic Trickle Down Theory? Now you guys are saying that DOESNT work after all?And that it is not possible in today's world to pay labor more than it is worth.How about cutting the million dollar salaries, bonues and stock options of the executives. You don't think THEY are making more that they are worth???? Didn't the UAW prove that, beyond the shadow of a doubt?
Without the UAW, we would still have child labor, a 12 hour work day and a 6 day workweek. What the UAW proved beyond a shadow of a doubt is that corporate exectives will protect their personal wages and stock options to he detriment of all that work for them.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:06 AM
 
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Where is an unskilled worker going to get TWO jobs in this economy?

And even if they could get two jobs, how are they going to get from home to Job A to Job B and back home the same day if they don't have a car?

Not to mention the scheduling issues: one time I had two jobs that worked out without schedule conflicts for several months...then when the Fourth of July came around, both employers wanted me to work at the same time, nobody else wanted to trade their shift with me, and I literally had to choose which job I wanted to keep.
Are completely clueless about the real world.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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The Repubs, ala California, should go without pay until the start to compromise on the Budget issue.

That should be true across the land and in the federal halls as well. Compromise for the good of the country not just special interests.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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You get the life you make for yourself. No one is going to 'give you' a job.jobs in this country have ALWAYS been (since the 50's)widely available...now they are not....they are in China/India etc. There are jobs to be had,crumby low wage jobs. you just have to show how you add value to that company and get in line with the 400 other people trying to show how they "add value" to that same employer with only 1 position open. Start a business on the side,most fail, if you do your research, do an online work from home jobmost of them are fake, or don't pay the money they owe anyway, etc. If you work 40 hours/week, sleep 7 hrs/night and eat/relax 4 hrs/day,should you leave your children unattended all these hours? How can you pay for childcare?, what type of childen do you raise that aren't a complete dysfunctional being by being raised by strangers even more than 40 hrs a week? that still leaves over 50 hours per week to build a second job for yourself. If you are young and single with no dependents, then that may be feasible....it isn't for single mothers (although they often do it anyway), and families often have more than one wageearner and are still not able to make it these days. And how do you get to your job? A bus pass is cheap, but buses don't run everywhere, and not at all in many, many parts of the country. and you can find a bicycle on craigslist for next to nothing. and sometimes the commutes are over an hour by car, or the weather does not allow for bicycles. How old are you that you are so unaware of real life? You say the oddest things.

People who are motivated enough do not stay unemployed for long.
That sn't true, hundreds of thousands of VERY motivated people are out of work in this economy. Its been the worst since the depression and longer than the depression.

There is 35% unemployment rate for teens coming out of highschool in California, 45% unemployment for blacks across the country not much better for hispanics. There are SOME jobs to be had, but they are "lesser" than what a good employee would ever take if the economy weren't in the dumpser, but for those that went to college or have families to raise the jobs that are left in this country are basically scrap jobs. In the 50's through the 70's "head of household" could earn a living for a family of 3-4, and still buy a car and a house. Then in the 80's and more and more women started working, the cost of living rose with the double incomes and it took 2 people to earn the equivalent of the same lifestyle. Then in the 90's it is true, anyone that wanted to work could find work. Home ownerships, car ownership was at an all time high. The top income earners and the lowest income earners all were happy. Then the new millineium came about and everything changed with it. The last admin trashed that beautiful surplus, started two unfunded wars, gave tax breaks to the wealthy and bailouts to wall street for having been unscrupulous, corrupt and greedy. Then shipped all the REAL jobs out of the country. We are in a mess, and you must be too young and ignorant to notice it. If you are happily and well employed....thats great, but many of your fellow Americans are not...thru NO fault of their own.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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ok, as top marginal tax rate, is their an income cut off for that? It would then be 39.6%. WOuld that be indexed over time to something like inflation or GDP to keep lower earners from moving the bracket over time?
We need to get the federal government to tax us at around 15%, by shutting down many of the federal social welfare programs and giving the states back their money.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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That sn't true, hundreds of thousands of VERY motivated people are out of work in this economy. Its been the worst since the depression and longer than the depression.

There is 35% unemployment rate for teens coming out of highschool in California, 45% unemployment for blacks across the country not much better for hispanics. There are SOME jobs to be had, but they are "lesser" than what a good employee would ever take if the economy weren't in the dumpser, but for those that went to college or have families to raise the jobs that are left in this country are basically scrap jobs. In the 50's through the 70's "head of household" could earn a living for a family of 3-4, and still buy a car and a house. Then in the 80's and more and more women started working, the cost of living rose with the double incomes and it took 2 people to earn the equivalent of the same lifestyle. Then in the 90's it is true, anyone that wanted to work could find work. Home ownerships, car ownership was at an all time high. The top income earners and the lowest income earners all were happy. Then the new millineium came about and everything changed with it. The last admin trashed that beautiful surplus, started two unfunded wars, gave tax breaks to the wealthy and bailouts to wall street for having been unscrupulous, corrupt and greedy. Then shipped all the REAL jobs out of the country. We are in a mess, and you must be too young and ignorant to notice it. If you are happily and well employed....thats great, but many of your fellow Americans are not...thru NO fault of their own.

If you would rather make excuses than find a plan to get a better job, go right ahead. The rest of us (who put in the extra time/have biked to work/have MOVED to find a job) will be working instead of whining about how tough everything is.
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