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I just posted stats showing over $3 billion a year in fraud in just food stamps and free lunch.
It's not just "one" person subsound.
What you posted shows nothing of the sort.
If you knew a little about the Food Stamp program you would know that the overissuances include all kinds of errors, including intentional program violations, inadvertent household errors, and administrative errors. Sure, you can say that every dime should be properly expended, but such an argument would be ridiculous, and would be a standard that no other government program, state, local, or federal, is held to.
If you knew a little about the Food Stamp program you would know that the overissuances include all kinds of errors, including intentional program violations, inadvertent household errors, and administrative errors. Sure, you can say that every dime should be properly expended, but such an argument would be ridiculous, and would be a standard that no other government program, state, local, or federal, is held to.
and isn't that the real problem?
that there is so much waste in all the government programs, at all the government levels.
i want people to remember that currently we have a DECLINING labor participation rate. one graph shows it all:
The BLS definition states: "Not in the labor force (NILF). A person who did not work last week, was not temporarily absent from a job, did not actively look for work in the previous 4 weeks, or looked but was unavailable for work during the reference week; in other words, a person who was neither employed nor unemployed." (Clearly, this does include lot of unemployed people).
To summarize: 108.616 million people in America are either unemployed, underemployed or "Not in the labor force". This represents 45.5% of working age Americans.
If you count the "Part time employed for non-economic reasons", you get 126.8 million Americans who are unemployed, underemployed, working part time or "Not in the labor force". That represents 53% of working age Americans.
So ONLY 47% OF WORKING AGE AMERICANS HAVE FULL TIME JOBS. While the official unemployment rate is 9.4%. Something's missing somewhere.
A few more factoids on the topic:
Today, the long term unemployed make up 42% of total unemployed. That is to say, of course, those who are actually counted as unemployed instead of "Not in the labor force".
43.2 million Americans receive foodstamps. That's 18.1% of all working age Americans. If they all have on average 1.5 dependents, which is probably a reasonable estimate, a full one third of the US population receives at least part of their food through this system. (business insider)
here's something i bet most americans did NOT ever know:
an ABC News article from April 2009, which deals with the fact that JPMorgan Chase is one of the main servicers of the "food stamp debit cards" (in 26 states). JPMorgan also services child support debit cards (in 15 states) and unemployment insurance cards (7 states).
Granted, some things may have changed somewhat since the article was written, but even just the very ideas that are the foundation of schemes like these are worth looking at. Because, naturally, JPMorgan does this to make a profit. Says ABC:
Take Indiana. JP Morgan gets 62 to 64 cents for each food stamp case handled monthly there. With 296,245 cases right now, that means the state is paying JP Morgan $183,672 a month on top of any other fees it collects. Indiana eliminated 100 full-time employees when it hired JP Morgan to make the program cost-neutraL.
But the greatest statement the article makes, and the reason ABC looked into this in the first place, is that JPMorgan outsourced its call and service centers for the "food stamp debit cards" to India
how perverse is that?
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that there is so much waste in all the government programs, at all the government levels.
Our nanny state is finally killing our country. We should eliminate all government food stamp and welfare programs. Private charities should provide food for the truly needy. Then a large portion of those on welfare today would get jobs.
Here's a novel idea. Provide basic food staples for the children, if the grownups want in, they have to perform community service. 15 hours a week, and you will be provided a box or 2 of non sugar cereal, eggs, some rice/corn/carrots/lettuce/tomatoes and other veggies, some bread, some peanut butter and jelly, some hamburger, macaroni and cheese, some milk, and some juice.
Same here in NYC. Like wth is SERIOUSLY nutritious at a gas station that the american people need to be supporting the welfare people for?
Here in Indiana, they are accepted at convenience stores and there is a pizza place that accepts them. Our tax dollars are paying for food stamp people to buy a large pepperoni and bread sticks. Like, how nutritious is that? Food stamps encourage obesity because they can buy crap, get fat, and have everyone else pay for it. Why would anyone want to make a commitment to dieting when everyone else is paying their bills?
I think we should end free lunch for food stamp kids. Schools should accept food stamp payments for lunch, breakfast, and any additional feeding programs. This way, mom and dad don't have extra money to commit scams.
Plus, there should be a limit on what you can buy with food stamps. Basically, anything that doesn't make a decent meal should be off limits. Expensive items like lobster and crab should be off limits as well. Food stamps should be limited to cheaper meats like ground beef, chicken, basic inexpensive seafood, dairy products, eggs, veggies, and fruit. Sugary beverages, beer, cigarettes, and candy should be off limits to food stamp recipients.
Instead of food stamps, why not just mail the recipients a case of MRE's each month. They are good enough for the troops. This would be run similar to "Nutri-System" where they ship you the pre-packaged diet food.
I would thoroughly enjoy watching many of the critics trying to live off of food stamps for a month.
I you are single, that's $200.
Family of three, $526.
In fact I have a better idea, you don't have to go on food stamps just limit yourself to the amount a similar sized family and their allotment. Post your receipts on line and tell us how it went.
Finally, a clip from Democracy Now! with their spin on the situation. Watch the body language on the kid in the glasses. It appears even he does not believe what he is purporting.
Ok. Too common. I can buy that. Does it represent 4,200 fraudulent individuals, 420, 42, which would be 10, 1, .5 percent of all food stamp recipients. Would you like to compare those numbers to the number of cases of fraud and embezzlement that are committed annually? Do you expect that any place that money is that crooks will not follow? And this is enough reason to end a program that is the life blood of 42 million Americans? Some strange logic at work here.
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Finally, a clip from Democracy Now! with their spin on the situation. Watch the body language on the kid in the glasses. It appears even he does not believe what he is purporting.
Yes, of course any information that might challenge the right-wing meme is spin. Ok.
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Our tax dollars are paying for food stamp people to buy a large pepperoni and bread sticks. Like, how nutritious is that?
Food stamps encourage obesity because they can buy crap, get fat, and have everyone else pay for it. Why would anyone want to make a commitment to dieting when everyone else is paying their bills?
