Why do the males get no say? (salary, compare, abortion)
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Neither sex has a way out. A woman has to get an abortion. A man has to use effective birth control.
You're making the same stupid argument over and over again. Fundamentally you're demanding one standard for men and one for women.
In your opinion men should literally have no consequences for their poorly thought out reproductive decisions. They should suffer no physical, emotional, financial or moral consequences.
Meanwhile a woman should be on the hook in every way possible. She gets to be responsible for birth control, pregnancy, labor and delivery and the financial consequences of having children.
Because we all know that you can make a baby by yourself. Yeah. No man involved there at all.
Those women are living off taxpayer dollars because the fathers of their children refuse to support them. Your alleged solution only compounds the problem by officially letting them off the hook.
Face it. Women have uteruses. If you don't like what we do with them then don't stick your body parts in there. It's really that simple.
An abortion is a way out. It's a guarantee that you won't need to pay for a baby. Effective birth control is not a guarantee, because birth control is not foolproof. A man can get stuck paying for a baby even if he uses birth control.
And no, a woman doesn't need to be responsible for "birth control, pregnancy, labor and delivery and the financial consequences of having children."
One word: abortion
If a woman doesn't want to be financially responsible for a baby, can't she understand why a man wouldn't want to be financially responsible for a baby either?
This discussion is like a poor person talking to a rich person about taxes. There's no way both sides will agree.
If a law was passed where males could opt out of responsibility, there should also be something included with the law that limits how much government assistance the mother would get.
So then people couldn't complain that she's driving up the taxes.
I think this is a genius idea. Under such a law, the woman would know what she's getting into, so she couldn't complain. If she knew the dad wouldn't pay and she wouldn't be able to get any more government assistance than what already exists, she would only have the baby if she was serious about it and if she had the money. And if she didn't have the money but she's opposed to abortion, there's always adoption.
Do you have any idea how many kids there are in foster homes in the US, awaiting adoption?
I didnt think so.
Even though I explained why taxes would not go up, here's a hypothetical question:
If you don't want to pay extra taxes to subsidize a single mother, can't you see why a man wouldn't want to pay child support he can't afford?
Also, taxes go toward schools. So if you don't have kids, you're paying for other people's kids schools. And parents get tax deductions. Let's face it...as it is, non-parents pay taxes that go toward other people's kids.
As for the current single mothers living on welfare...
Has it occurred to you that maybe the dads pay child support, but the dad's income is so low that the mom still qualified for welfare?
The difference between the two is that those are his children not ours. If a man does not want to pay child support the man should not breed with a woman he does not trust. Again it's really that simple. I don't care what the man wants. He doesn't get to walk away from his legal obligations because he doesn't like them.
An abortion is a way out. It's a guarantee that you won't need to pay for a baby. Effective birth control is not a guarantee, because birth control is not foolproof. A man can get stuck paying for a baby even if he uses birth control.
And no, a woman doesn't need to be responsible for "birth control, pregnancy, labor and delivery and the financial consequences of having children."
One word: abortion
If a woman doesn't want to be financially responsible for a baby, can't she understand why a man wouldn't want to be financially responsible for a baby either?
This discussion is like a poor person talking to a rich person about taxes. There's no way both sides will agree.
you need to get it through your head, once and for all not all women are in favor of abortion, nor could they ever have one. to suggest it is an option for them is stupid. abortion is NOT an option for all women. understand?
Under the proposed law, abortions might increase since women would realize the dad wouldn't pay for the baby. Some people might say "They're only getting an abortion because they know they can't afford the baby and the dad won't pay"
So how about this?
The dad pays for the abortion. I'm sure he'd much rather pay the one time fee than pay 18 years of child support
With physical consequences men don't suffer. If your whole point is about unfairness how is fair that she suffers and he does not?
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It's a guarantee that you won't need to pay for a baby. Effective birth control is not a guarantee, because birth control is not foolproof. A man can get stuck paying for a baby even if he uses birth control.
And a woman can get stuck with an abortion or a pregnancy and a baby she doesn't want. See how that works?
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And no, a woman doesn't need to be responsible for "birth control, pregnancy, labor and delivery and the financial consequences of having children."
One word: abortion
With physical consequences that men don't have.
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If a woman doesn't want to be financially responsible for a baby, can't she understand why a man wouldn't want to be financially responsible for a baby either?
So what?
For the hundredth time men don't get stuck with periods or menstrual cramps or stretch marks or any one of dozens of physical consequences of fertility.
Do you think women want them? Why should women get to suffer all that AND have to bear the financial consequences as well? How is that fair?
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This discussion is like a poor person talking to a rich person about taxes. There's no way both sides will agree.
When men get breast cancer or go through labor and delivery or die in childbearing then men can claim to be poor.
Both sides are not going to agree because men will never be able to bear children. Until you can grow a uterus you are just going to have to deal with the fact that you don't control them.
If a man doesn't pay child support, he goes to jail.
So if a woman has a baby she can't afford, why doesn't she go to jail?
She does if the man gets physical custody and she doesn't pay child support. Men don't go to jail if they have primary custody and can't afford the baby either.
Give it up. You have neither injustice nor point here.
If a man doesn't pay child support, he goes to jail.
So if a woman has a baby she can't afford, why doesn't she go to jail?
Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result every time.
Yet you keep asking the same question over and over and expect a different answer every time.
Connect the dots here......
Under the proposed law, abortions might increase since women would realize the dad wouldn't pay for the baby. Some people might say "They're only getting an abortion because they know they can't afford the baby and the dad won't pay"
So how about this?
The dad pays for the abortion. I'm sure he'd much rather pay the one time fee than pay 18 years of child support
How about he doesn't stick his dick in the crazy in the first place? Simple solution.
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