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Old 06-10-2011, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Would I tax to top 1% at 99% to achieve a universal and fair system? Damn straight I would and I would like to see this happen.
so the top1% (which is all income over 200k) you would tax at 99%

so you want everyone in poverty....very communistic of you
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Old 12-11-2014, 05:57 PM
 
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It is the rare household that does NOT pay taxes. That statistic about half of the households not paying taxes refers to income tax. The last time I looked, the median household income in the US was $42,000. Depending on household size, this could be poverty-- not in the officially defined sense, which is about 67% of the actual poverty income level. So a lot of families making $42,000 or less don't pay taxes because Congress has made laws that exempt them.

However, they pay sales, personal property, use, consumption, etc., taxes. So much so that overall their total tax burden is the highest of all quintiles. And at the same time, the very highest cohorts-- the top 5%, 1%, and so forth up to the 0.01%-- have the total lowest tax burden of all.

Keep your eye on Vermont. Over the next two years the legislature will be working to implement the nation's first universal coverage plan-- not just for seniors or veterans or those who can work to pay the premiums, but everybody.
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Old 12-11-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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A single insurance pool and a single source of funds to cover that pool correct? Hence the term "single payer".
The plural of single is communism.

"We Phones" are for "persons".
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Old 12-11-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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but about half of US citizens pay no federal taxes at all. It seems like we should call it something a little more truthful than single payer right?
Yes call it taxpayer funded insurance.

It's like the 'free' lunches at school. They're not free. They're lunches paid for by taxpayers. The kids of leeches are supported by the productive.
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:28 PM
 
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No single payer refer to name for one payer of healthcare cost .The single payer is federal taxpayer in a federal system. In a state system its state taxpayers. No individual responsibility. It goes beyond even Medicare. It is like placing all on Medicaid.
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:30 PM
 
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It is the rare household that does NOT pay taxes. That statistic about half of the households not paying taxes refers to income tax. The last time I looked, the median household income in the US was $42,000. Depending on household size, this could be poverty-- not in the officially defined sense, which is about 67% of the actual poverty income level. So a lot of families making $42,000 or less don't pay taxes because Congress has made laws that exempt them.

However, they pay sales, personal property, use, consumption, etc., taxes. So much so that overall their total tax burden is the highest of all quintiles. And at the same time, the very highest cohorts-- the top 5%, 1%, and so forth up to the 0.01%-- have the total lowest tax burden of all.
you arent even close to correct.

First the top segment does NOT have the lowest tax burden, and many of the other taxes you listed go to the state an dlocal municipalities, not the federal government and wouldnt at all fund a single payer system.

I sure hope you knew this but just wanted to distract with meaningless babble.
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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No single payer refer to name for one payer of healthcare cost .The single payer is federal taxpayer in a federal system. In a state system its state taxpayers. No individual responsibility. It goes beyond even Medicare. It is like placing all on Medicaid.
But government agencies countract out the payment processing to insurance companies, so even under a "single payer" system, we wouldnt get single payer..
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Old 12-11-2014, 10:19 PM
 
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Only in the minds of the Obama Regime will:
  • a massive increase in Obamacare-inspired demand coupled with
  • no extra doctors,
  • no extra nurses,
  • no extra hospitals,
  • no extra respiratory technicians,
  • no extra radiologist techs,
  • no extra urgent care centers,
  • no extra imaging centers,
  • no extra extra independent living facilities,
  • no extra nursing homes etc
... result in anything other than an increase in prices.
Sorry, but there is no shortage of nurses, imaging tech or most type of medical professionals right now. If that were the case, new grads or experienced individuals wouldn't be taking 6 months to a year to find a job.

As for the Dr shortage, that can be attributed to the lack of residency spots...and unless congress does something to increase the amount of residencies spots, it won't get better. However, PA's and NP's are becoming more and more prevaleant now. I dont see why I need to see a DR for minor things like a flu or stitches When a mid level clinician can do the same. So the Dr. Shortage will be somewhat alleviated with the rise of mid level clinicians.....which is a good thing
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Old 12-12-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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All of your points are quite valid. We should implement them anyway because the damage done to a wealth few is justified by the good done to the thousand of sick unable to access to or afford medical care. Would I tax to top 1% at 99% to achieve a universal and fair system? Damn straight I would and I would like to see this happen.
It would behoove you to remember that the "top 1%" can afford to pack up and move anytime they want to. A 99% tax rate would just about guarantee that many of them would do just that!
What happens to your plan when the money suddenly dries up because most of the "donors" left the country and renounced their citizenship?
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Old 12-12-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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RIGHT NOW there is a doctor shortage...right now there is a nursing shortage..right now hospitals are closing going bankrupt...single payer would only make it worse
There's a shortage of medical providers and hospitals are closing?
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