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Old 06-13-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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How is that different from market socialism again?
Private ownership of businesses (as it was under Nazis and Fascists) as opposed to government ownership.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:21 PM
 
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Private ownership of businesses (as it was under Nazis and Fascists) as opposed to government ownership.
Party economics?
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Party economics?
Just definitions, so far.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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Private ownership of businesses (as it was under Nazis and Fascists) as opposed to government ownership.
Wait, I was thinking of "Social Democracy". Gollie, there are so many "political philosophies" describing how a central authority should own or regulate your stuff I get them confused.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Wait, I was thinking of "Social Democracy". Gollie, there are so many "political philosophies" describing how a central authority should own or regulate your stuff I get them confused.
It helps one's argument when they can obfuscate the issue like that.
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Old 06-13-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Wait, I was thinking of "Social Democracy". Gollie, there are so many "political philosophies" describing how a central authority should own or regulate your stuff I get them confused.
Then why did you ask about Market Socialism? Nazis and Fascists were far from believing in government ownership of resources. In fact, they were for privatization of everything. Nazis did nationalize "rogue" businesses by force, but that is about as far as they went.
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Old 06-13-2011, 03:03 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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The Nazi party was not a progressive movement, it is a far right wing movement. Communism is a far left wing movement. Why do we always have to go back to grade school with you people?

They were both authoritarians, would you really care if it is a left boot or right boot on your throat?
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Old 06-13-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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Then why did you ask about Market Socialism? Nazis and Fascists were far from believing in government ownership of resources. In fact, they were for privatization of everything. Nazis did nationalize "rogue" businesses by force, but that is about as far as they went.
Gollie, there are so many "political philosophies" describing how a central authority should own or regulate your stuff I get them confused.

Nationalization of "rogue" businesses by a central authority happens in European countries today, and in the US to an extent. However, heavy regulation is much more popular than direct government ownership in most industries.

Anyhow, by 1937 the Nazis dissolved all businesses with less than $40,000 in capital and barred any businesses from being formed with less than $200,000 in capital. The Nazis also did much to steer industry in directions that suited their interests; businesses were forced to become members of trade organizations which were put under the control of the state.

The Nazi brand of socialism might not involve a ton of direct government ownership of businesses, but businesses were certainly under government control.
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Old 06-13-2011, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Nationalism was probably the only right-wing element about the Nazi party the rest is a left wing ideology with a big invasive, coercive government at the helm.
Kinder, Küche, Kirche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is that left-wing?

Not trying to bust your balls too much, though, because you have a point, that some fascist theoreticians (and even politicians like Mussolini and Laval) gravitated from the left side of the spectrum. There had to be some cross-pollination between left and right viewpoints to produce a hybrid like fascism. Unfortunately, it merged the worst of the left with the worst of the right.
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Old 06-13-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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The premise of Fascism, also adopted by Nazis, was anti-left at its core. In fact, Judeo-Bolshevism, was constantly dubbed the greatest threat to Germany by Hitler.
Anti-Bolshevism is not "anti-left."

Lots of people on the "left" despised the Bolsheviks. Lord Bertrand Russell, for one.

Still, it is correct, fascism is not "left" or "right." It is more "down"--like a philosophical trash can.
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