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According to what sham poll? The majority of Americans support gay marriage, but it is still only legal in a handful of states? That makes no sense. If the majority of Americans were supportive of gay marriage, we wouldn't keep voting gay marriage bills down.
The Supreme Court will uphold the will of the people. The Court does not exist to mindlessly cater to the desires of a few rogue people. If gay marriage were to be legalized there would be a great deal of soiled pants, mainly of the justices for going against the will of the people. If marriage between the gays is allowed the country will have officially gone down the tubes.
Nothing is coming. I, you, and everyone else on this thread will be six feet under in rotted out caskets before this is ever entertained. I am sorry if you are being hurt, but our laws are not in place to cater to a few people's "feelings."
Homosexual marriage is a unnecessary sham.
I have repeatedly stated my clear point. Go back and read.
surely you can put two and two together? or are you really this dense?
Many of the VOTER approved ammendments to block gay marriage were passed 2-8 years ago.. BEFORE such polls have shown a shift in feelings towards it..
and JUST because 50 percent of the population turns out to vote and 60 percent of that 50 percent wins the election does it mean that they are a majority of sentiments
you are welcomed to your personal feelings.. but 5 states having it already is 10 percent of the nation already allowing it.
You are aware of the full faith and credit clause right? essentially with a repeal of DOMA at the federal level, will force all states to recognize gay marriage performed in states that allow it. Arizona has a right to say they won't give gays a marriage license, but gays married in Iowa that move to arizona will have to be recognized.. THAT is how straight people can move state to state and still be married under the law...
Please don't call me "dear." I am a heterosexual man.
I said should, never said that it IS a requirement.
I am a liberal Arizonan.
You're hardly a liberal. Liberals don't believe in discriminating against homosexuals in the law - in taking away the civil rights of gay people simply because they are gay.
In response to one of my posts, you said marriage law should be based on religion. That's the response of a Theocratic conservative - somebody who disregards our constitution and wants to turn the US into West Iran.
In response to one of my posts, you said marriage law should be based on religion. That's the response of a Theocratic conservative - somebody who disregards our constitution and wants to turn the US into West Iran.
Even Michele Bachmann said tonight that she wouldn't interfere with a state that legalized same-sex marriage, if she were President. Do these people realize that they're now to the right of Michele Bachmann?
That is such a stupid argument and a violation of the Constitution. Heterosexuals can marry the person of their choice, gays cannot. Therefore gays do not have equal rights.
Slippery slope fallacy. Animals and objects can't consent. And by your argument, we should ban heterosexual marriage since it leads to gay marriage, which leads to marrying animals, objects, family members etc.
We changed the definition of marriage 44 years ago. Did you whine about it back then?
Why do heterosexuals need marriage? It makes no sense.
Why do heterosexuals? Marriage is nothing more than a legal contract. Religion has not been a factor in marriage for most of human history. So why are you so attached to the 21st Century common version of it?
Marrying the person of your choice is not a right. If you want to marry your sister you cannot. You can marry someone of the opposite sex who you are not closely related to.
I will not entertain your arguments as they have no relevance to the topic at hand.
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I agree that government endorsed marriage is a unnecessary.
But, since it would seem to be here to stay, the only reasonable position is that it should not be restricted based upon sex.
I have read your posts in this thread and nothing the 'debate coach' has said has been intelligent or clear.
Nor does it exist to uphold the will of the people.
That the country allows this continued injustice, and that so many stand up to voice their irrational support of this injustice, is a much clearer sign of the nation's direction.
Just because I don't agree with your aberrations doesn't make my argument any less clear. People have been arguing with me for over an hour about gay marriage stating ridiculous polls that clearly contrast with actuality.
I have not needed to post one poll because my words are based on fact. Fact that some folks just cant accept.
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Got any proof of that? Or is this just another opinion of yours that you assume to be a fact?
Yeah, and I'm the King Of Egypt.
Every state that has had a vote on the measure has shot it down. Using that logic, why would you expect Vermont and Connecticut to be any different?
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surely you can put two and two together? or are you really this dense?
Many of the VOTER approved ammendments to block gay marriage were passed 2-8 years ago.. BEFORE such polls have shown a shift in feelings towards it..
and JUST because 50 percent of the population turns out to vote and 60 percent of that 50 percent wins the election does it mean that they are a majority of sentiments
you are welcomed to your personal feelings.. but 5 states having it already is 10 percent of the nation already allowing it.
You are aware of the full faith and credit clause right? essentially with a repeal of DOMA at the federal level, will force all states to recognize gay marriage performed in states that allow it. Arizona has a right to say they won't give gays a marriage license, but gays married in Iowa that move to arizona will have to be recognized.. THAT is how straight people can move state to state and still be married under the law...
Please stop with your skewing of facts. People do not support this. Fox News is a sham. It clearly stated those numbers to rile up it's conservative viewers to get out in the polls and make sure that none of these future gay agenda laden ballots go anywhere.
You act as if 2-8 years ago was such a long time ago. These gay marriage bans were not narrow defeats. They were outright rejections. Come down from the clouds and live with reality. People do not want this. Stop forcing the American people to accept the crumbling of our society.
No one will recognize any gay marriages. When Iowans finally have a chance to repeal the law that their representatives stomped down their esophagi this will all end.
You can feel however you want, you can vote however you want. However, I think that when one's prejudices limit the rights of other people to fully particpate in this society, it is wrong. Many people opposed giving women the right to vote, they opposed civil rights, they believed that to vote only white men owning property could vote, that Jews could not hold public office (illegal in NC until after the Civil War). They felt how they felt and they voted to uphold their prejudices, but we believe now, on the whole, that they were wrong.
That's what people said 10 years ago, and now there are 5 states plus DC that perform same-sex marriages, and two other states (MD and NY) recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states.
In total, there are now about 20 states that perform or recognize same-sex marriages or civil unions. Twelve years ago, there were none.
Yes because of sham politicians. DC residents would never have legalized gay marriage. Maryland flat out reject to entertain gay marriage legalization and New York won't go for it either.
The whims of a few off the rocker politicians just shows the crumbling of our society. When our representatives no longer REPRESENT the will of their constituents the end is truly near.
I cringe at the direction this country is taking. We are falling apart at the seams.
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