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Because freedom and liberty are not ideas? You can touch them, describe them, tell us what color they are? If you don't understand the word "nebulous", you should look it up in a dictionary. And spare the rest of us your anger.
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Many Americans believe they are the superior specimens of the human species and that America is god's gift to earth.
That sounds arrogant. So, the self-proclaimed master race uses the subtle term: Exceptional.
As long as we are being brainwashed into believing that to view oneself as exceptional is arrogance, we will see more of this in our life time and our children will be confused, as always.
Imagine if you will a country (taught from childhood) whose men and women hold no allegiance to any thing or any one. What kind of country do we think we would have then? Going one step further....what type of government do we think we would have then?
Would there be honor, integrity, love for their fellow beings? If so, how? How could these things possibly develop if they are not understood from birth?
Our liberty comes from that oath and the expression in which to stand, one nation, in union, for liberty and justice for all. Instilled in childhood that the power is in the people, not in the representatives of the country. The oath is cited in remembrance of those who have fallen and died so that we have this freedom. To not honor them with the words that should speak deeply to the one saying them, is to say what they did, they did it for nothing. It also says, we hold no appreciation for what they did for us.
It's the little things we do, the baby steps we take, when we throw away and take for granted those liberties, that bring about, that bigger government many hold a distaste for. What you call a compelled oath, I call an honor to have the ability to recite it in a country, that I won't get a billy club up side the head for doing so. I live in a country that I don't have to hide my pride. I have the freedom to express it. Another date and time, we would be trembling in fear in a basement some where, horrified some one might find us, some one might hear us, some one might kill us, for doing so. These things...many others in this country are taking for granite. Perhaps to many years have past, that we didn't actually live during that time, that our senses have become dulled.
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Because freedom and liberty are not ideas? You can touch them, describe them, tell us what color they are? If you don't understand the word "nebulous", you should look it up in a dictionary. And spare the rest of us your anger.
In the form of a cloud or haze; hazy. Still---psed
In the form of a cloud or haze; hazy. Still---psed
Intangible. Abstract. Not solid.
Because concepts like freedom and liberty are indeed abstractions. Obviously. Since you think that forcing people to do something they don't want to do is a way to uphold freedom. It boggles the mind.
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Intangible. Abstract. Not solid.
Because concepts like freedom and liberty are indeed abstractions. Obviously. Since you think that forcing people to do something they don't want to do is a way to uphold freedom. It boggles the mind.
Why didn't the Founding Fathers believe in loyalty oaths? Oh, yeah, because they believed in freedom, and recognized the basic contradiction in ideas that swearing fealty to a nation founded in revolution against the concepts of fealty suggests.
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Apples and oranges.
I don't swear fealty to the insurance company.
Why didn't the Founding Fathers believe in loyalty oaths? Oh, yeah, because they believed in freedom, and recognized the basic contradiction in ideas that swearing fealty to a nation founded in revolution against the concepts of fealty suggests.
No, but I imagine you may swear each renewal term of your policy, knowing you are being forced (it's the law) by way of money to support the insurance company, just because you own a car. That is not a voluntary act you do, by the way, but the act of recital of the oath, still is, voluntary. Or did you not read the link above to the court decision? NH, wasn't it?
Time for you to debunk:
"America's Founding Fathers were great believers in loyalty oaths." oaths
You may not have to respect America or her freedom ideals that are un-tangible assets?, but unfortunately you must be stuck here.
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