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Depending on how you define God, that does not logically follow.
The burden is still on you, based on the above logical fallacy.
The universe exists....it was either created or not. We know it couldn't exist without being created. The only other alternative is that it was caused/created. Unless you can give me an alternative, that's what we run with. That's called "logic" (law-jik). Try it some time.
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No, your argument can be refuted by simply pointing out that God is not necessarily the cause, or the only cause, or perhaps did not exist prior to the Universe, or that God is not distinguishable from the Universe.
I'm going with the last one.
So the universe created itself? That's illogical.
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Your argument doesn't even begin to cover all the bases here.
says the guy that thinks the universe created itself.
Nothing. He is eternal. Logically, there had to be absolute, first cause. This cause is uncaused. To suggest otherwise is to believe in that regression that you were talking about.
The universe exists....it was either created or not.
I'm not sure you can conclude that either. It could still be some combination of the two or something else entirely.
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We know it couldn't exist without being created.
Not necessarily. You are jumping to that conclusion. It could also be eternal and uncreated, as many believe. Or just the natural result of brane collision. Brane, not brain.
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The only other alternative is that it was caused/created.
This is where your logic fails - you assume that there is only one other alternative...based on what?
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Unless you can give me an alternative, that's what we run with. That's called "logic" (law-jik). Try it some time.
I just did.
I don't think you really have a good grasp on what logic is.
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So the universe created itself? That's illogical.
When you put it that way, but that would be your way of putting it, not mine.
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says the guy that thinks the universe created itself.
Says the guy that handed me a pile of logical fallacies, with a cherry straw man argument on top. I never said that.
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Nothing. He is eternal.
Then so could the Universe be. I think you just got hoisted on your own petard. That argument works just as well against you.
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Logically, there had to be absolute, first cause.
That is not necessarily true.
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This cause is uncaused.
Ah, I see. So this argument ONLY works when YOU make it? And you think others are being illogical? Wow.
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To suggest otherwise is to believe in that regression that you were talking about.
More like recursion, and do you really want to go there and refute your OWN argument, again?
huh? Are you suggesting the universe is eternal and uncaused? Wow...that's just...wow......
huh? Are you suggesting that God is eternal and uncaused? Wow...that's just...wow.......
Seriously?
Why are the rules different for your argument than his, eh?
That's not how logic works LOL.
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