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Old 06-15-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And who determines that difference? The one who says conservatives have a narrow view because it doesn't jive with their view? So if I say you have a narrow view because you have liberal views, does that mean I am also correct. So in your universe, everybody is right and everybody is also wrong.. sure there is a difference but saying it doesn't make it more true...
As anybody should be able to tell, it can't be a who, but it should be a "what". The answer to that will be... "attitude" towards others. I'm not sure if you've been to the thread on Norway, for example. Although, the argument I'm thinking of has been profoundly used in other threads as well. The argument that social democracy (AKA "socialism" in laymen terminology widely used in the good old USA) in countries like Norway and Japan works because of one race, one language, one culture, one ethnicity... in other words, a singular society (singularity based on those key components). It won't work in America because we're way too diverse. Such arguments are placed by guess who... the resident conservatives.

So, let me ask you, why are they bothered by involvement of others who are unlike them, if they respect private lives for all?
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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Explain the following intrusions as "liberal", then.

Government policy dictating women's reproduction

Injecting christianity into public policy/places

Patriot Act

Please... it is a given that yes conservatives often overstep in intruding in other people's lives but you have to be living in a cave on Jupiter to not know that liberals take the step a lot further...
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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As anybody should be able to tell, it can't be a who, but it should be a "what". The answer to that will be... "attitude" towards others. I'm not sure if you've been to the thread on Norway, for example. Although, the argument I'm thinking of has been profoundly used in other threads as well. The argument that social democracy (AKA "socialism" in laymen terminology widely used in the good old USA) in countries like Norway and Japan works because of one race, one language, one culture, one ethnicity... in other words, a singular society (singularity based on those key components). It won't work in America because we're way too diverse. Such arguments are placed by guess who... the resident conservatives.

So, let me ask you, why are they bothered by involvement of others who are unlike them, if they respect private lives for all?
They are bothered probably because of change... and if anyone isn't bothered by change, they need to stop deceiving themselves... sure attitude is a large part of our private/social life... why are you so against attitude in a free world? Must everyone have your attitude in order for the world to be okay... Strange that you accept the multivariable languages, cultures, races but you can't accept a different attitude because it doesn't jive with what you accept... are you a conservative? No but you like to label anyone that has a different attitude as a conservative... strangely enough, the people with the most attitude are liberals, they seek to be in involve in your private lives... the ultimate of "attitude"... ironic...
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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They are bothered probably because of change... and if anyone isn't bothered by change, they need to stop deceiving themselves... sure attitude is a large part of our private/social life... why are you so against attitude in a free world? Must everyone have your attitude in order for the world to be okay... Strange that you accept the multivariable languages, cultures, races but you can't accept a different attitude because it doesn't jive with what you accept... are you a conservative? No but you like to label anyone that has a different attitude as a conservative... strangely enough, the people with the most attitude are liberals, they seek in involve in your private lives... ironic...
Exactly. Hence the narrow, one-track, world view.
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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Exactly. Hence the narrow, one-track, world view.
Are you not bothered by change? What about change to a more conservative viewpoint... does that mean liberals have a narrow view to? You run in circles and claim other people have narrow viewpoints... you are the definition of narrow viewpoints...
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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Are you not bothered by change? What about change to a more conservative viewpoint... does that mean liberals have a narrow view to? You run in circles and claim other people have narrow viewpoints... you are the definition of narrow viewpoints...
No. It is fundamental to being a progressive. Take gay relationships, for example. One of my closest friends is a lesbian. One of my ex-colleagues was gay. I do not see their personal life as being a choice of theirs, much less try to impose my personal view of relationships on them. Why should I?
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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No. It is fundamental to being a progressive. Take gay relationships, for example. One of my closest friends is a lesbian. One of my ex-colleagues was gay. I do not see their personal life as being a choice of theirs, much less try to impose my personal view of relationships on them. Why should I?
Fundamental? Says who? You? You don't want to "impose" your personal view of relationships on them... then don't... but you DO want to impose your liberal views on the hundreds of millions of other people... are you suggesting that certain private matters are part of social matter and part of it isn't due to what liberal views it is... that's not narrow-sighted? That's what you call fundamental to progressivism? Okay... you seem to like narrow views.. and then complain about them if they don't fit your narrow views... ironic..
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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Question Why are you trying to learn basic biology on a political forum?

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Besides bee's and ant's, what other species, benefits from a collective effort.

Why do bee's and ant's make it, but others can't?
Some vertebrates whose social behavior is of particular interest:Human social behavior frequently includes non-human creatures (most notably dogs, cats, and horses).

Social animal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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Besides bee's and ant's, what other species, benefits from a collective effort.

Why do bee's and ant's make it, but others can't?
I'm not sure this is completely accurate. For example, there are lots of ant colonies, who will kill other ant colonies, and thus they arent out to benefit the species. One might compare an ant colony to a country, where one country might attack and kill members of other countries for the benefit of the colony.

They exist to benefit the colony, not necessarily the species.
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Old 06-15-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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Fundamental? Says who? You?
It is, by definition. The ability to accept change or at least adapt to it, if not take advantage of it. Here is an example. Take the early days after this nation was founded. The US constitution was quite a departure from the norm. Primary leaders, such as James Madison, promoted ideas that weren't commonly sought or even accepted. In some cases, they compromised to address immediate needs while assuming that the future will take care of the compromised issues somehow and an example of that would be slave trade.

In other cases, they did not. I am sure there must have been serious opposition to religiosity not being a part of the government. Thomas Jefferson had to deal with that reality in his run for President in 1800. His opposition operated on claiming that he wasn't a Christian but an infidel. His response to it is engraved at the Jefferson Memorial. These people realized change was inevitable and that a change from norm, from populism, is appropriate.
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You don't want to "impose" your personal view of relationships on them... then don't... but you DO want to impose your liberal views on the hundreds of millions of other people... are you suggesting that certain private matters are part of social matter and part of it isn't due to what liberal views it is... that's not narrow-sighted?
I can't respond to the last part of your claim unless you can explain it properly, preferably with a concrete example or two. As for the first part, you got that right, I don't. My personal life is my own, and I respect that of others' too. Why must I lose my sleep over my lesbian and gay friends/colleagues finding same sex attractive?
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