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Old 06-15-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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So we ought to just shut down the House and Senate? We'd probably save a lot of money that way.
Well, considering how corrupt Congress is, probably not a bad idea.. however

Do you know what the purpose of the Federal appellate court system is?

 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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So then you recognize that their job is to legislate and not the judges, right?
Do you know what Common law is?
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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says the guy that thinks we should live by his standards....




No ban is needed, as it's never been allowed.
Then explain the protection of marriage act,
Casper
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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So then you recognize that their job is to legislate and not the judges, right?
Their job is to legislate within the bounds of the Constitution. Right-wing religious theocrats often ignore this, and unconstitutionally try and legislate their religious beliefs upon everybody. Thankfully our system was set up with checks and balances including a judiciary that remedies such injustices.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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Interesting how none of the right-wingers in this thread have responded to the OP's interesting point. Instead they've all changed the subject to religion.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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Do you know what Common law is?
Do you enjoy the same legal benefits under common law? NOPE
Casper
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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I wasn't the one that brought up the "it's natural" argument.
It is natural, and occurs in many species, so what is your point
Casper
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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Well, considering how corrupt Congress is, probably not a bad idea.. however

Do you know what the purpose of the Federal appellate court system is?
To determine constitutionality of law. My argument is that unfortunately they have been known to overstep their authority quite often.

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It is natural, and occurs in many species, so what is your point
Casper
My point was that using that fact to suggest something is moral because it's natural is a bad argument.
 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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Yes. And straight men are disgusted by that.

 
Old 06-15-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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How can something prevalent in nature be "unnatural"? Do you know what unnatural means?
Who said I believe it is unnatural? You are making a big assumption here. I agree that homosexuality occurs in nature. However, I don't think that believing it to be unnatural makes a person a homophobe.



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Believing tradition marriage is between a man and woman doesn't make you a homophobe, it merely makes you completely ignorant of the history of "traditional marriage". Marriage is neither a religious institution, nor did it usually include one woman, let alone an equal partnership. Your concept of "Traditional marriage" is actually quite modern.

However, if your views of marriage deem you to vote or push to deny homosexuals the right to marry in a secular society, then you are discriminating against homosexuals, which is included in the definition of homophobia.
It's a difference of opinions and yours is no better (or more correct) than mine. Marriage, IMO, is between a man and a woman to be differentiated from civil unions which grant legal status and benefits to couples. It just so happens in our country that marriage is also considered a civil union but the reverse is not true. I don't get this aspect of the gay agenda at all. Why must you (general) push for it to be called "marriage" if all other things are equal (same benefits and legal status)? Why do you want something that innately pertains to heterosexuals (an exclusive partnering between a man and woman) if you can get the same exact benefits and rights by calling it a civil union?

I still would like to see the medical definition used that qualifies people as having serious psychological disorder for simply believing marriage to be between a man and woman.
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