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Old 06-21-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Also, can't use average rates...need to look at Median rates...since a huge protion do not pay income tax. For those who say we can't afford to lower rates..sure we can if we stop spending. Either one thinks it is the responsiblity of the few to pay alot to support the collective, or everyone pay a litle to support the collective....
Payroll taxes bring in as much revenue as income taxes and working people pay a higher percentage of their income on payroll taxes than the rich do.

So you got that wrong....AGAIN.
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No you are 100% wrong again. Tax receipts adjusted for inflation are the lowest in 50 years.

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com
and that would be because 47% pay zero in federal income taxes
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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and that would be because 47% pay zero in taxes
Caught red handed with one lie you just go on to another distortion.
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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No you are 100% wrong again. Tax receipts adjusted for inflation are the lowest in 50 years.

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com
Making Sense: Are Taxes Lower Now Than the 1950s? | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS

As the economy has grown, so has the absolute amount of taxes, and even the amount adjusted for inflation. So no, we're not paying less; we're paying more. But relative to a year's worth of economic output (GDP), government revenues have remained pretty constant, and with the tax cuts of the last decade, are now actually lower, as a share of GDP, than at any time since 1950
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:17 AM
 
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Caught red handed with one lie you just go on to another distortion.
no lie

the bottom 47% pay almost nothing to zero in federal income tax..many even get back more than they paid

I earn 60k and pay ZERO in federal tax (to include the 'payroll tax")

as I have shown

//www.city-data.com/forum/17932243-post181.html


sorry you cant handle the truth
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Payroll taxes bring in as much revenue as income taxes and working people pay a higher percentage of their income on payroll taxes than the rich do.

So you got that wrong....AGAIN.
No, I am not wrong smart ass..

What are the federal government's sources of revenue?

Components of federal payroll taxes

Components of federal payroll taxes

Federal payroll taxes, or social insurance contributions, consist of tax revenues from Social Security, Medicare hospital insurance, unemployment insurance, railroad retirement, and other retirements. Social Security makes up the lion’s share of federal payroll taxes-73 percent of the $713 billion collected in 2003. Medicare, the second largest component, makes up 21 percent of payroll tax revenues. The remaining revenue is divided between unemployment insurance (5 percent), railroad retirement (less than 1 percent), and other retirements (less than 1 percent).

SInce SS is the largest part of Payroll, most people get that back in retirement. Income tax is not given back..and fewer people pay into the system..with 47% opting out and getting services for free.


No, I refuse to buy into the idea that the few should pay for the majority...
and what is a working person? I believe everyone who has a job is a working person...what has the ability to pay and hardness have anything to do with paying for reciieved service? Your saying just because it is hard on someone they should not be expected to pay for services recieved, and that someone else should foot the bill?
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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It's just jaw dropping that the GOP can present these ideas to middle class voters and still be taken seriously.

Pawlenty Plan Would Quadruple Tax Cuts For Richest Americans: CBPP

All the while the gap between rich and poor is the greatest in our Nation's history.

Introducing This Blog - NYTimes.com
Sweet!
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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Making Sense: Are Taxes Lower Now Than the 1950s? | The Rundown News Blog | PBS NewsHour | PBS

As the economy has grown, so has the absolute amount of taxes, and even the amount adjusted for inflation. So no, we're not paying less; we're paying more. But relative to a year's worth of economic output (GDP), government revenues have remained pretty constant, and with the tax cuts of the last decade, are now actually lower, as a share of GDP, than at any time since 1950
I'm done with you. You don't even have the sense to know why "relative" taxes burden is what you look for. Not the absolute tax rate...

Even a 3rd grader would know you don't care about absolute tax rate when the population of the USA in the 1950's was half of what it is now....LOL
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Old 06-21-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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I'm done with you. You don't even have the sense to know why "relative" taxes burden is what you look for. Not the absolute tax rate...

Even a 3rd grader would know you don't care about absolute tax rate when the population of the USA in the 1950's was half of what it is now....LOL
Nothing more to say jabberjaw..I think absolute tax is impt...unless your argument is that people should pay for services based on the dificulty of paying versus paying for actual services recieved and their cost to provide...

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Old 06-21-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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our FEDERAL tax RATES are at their lowest...but the amount actually paid federally is MUCH HIGHER now(since we closed many of the loopholes from the 50-60's

and we pay LOTS more at the state/local/point of service level

back in the 50's the payroll tax (which was VOLUNTARY) was 1% not the 6.2%

my property tax is 20% of my gross pay
I don't know that the amount paid federally is that MUCH HIGHER, but I think that the overall amount of taxes is MUCH HIGHER. State and local taxes in their various forms seem to have risen dramatically over the past five or six decades.
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