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Old 06-21-2011, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Italy
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If I were the judge I would throw the case out and not give him any jail time. People shouldn't manipulate the system and exploit taxpayers like this.
Maybe if there was a national health care system in place, he wouldn't have done what he did!

Peace,
brian
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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Maybe if there was a national health care system in place, he wouldn't have done what he did!

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brian
There already is. It is illegal for a hospital to refuse treatment to anyone.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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Maybe if there was a national health care system in place, he wouldn't have done what he did!

Peace,
brian
Maybe if he planned his life a little better, he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Maybe if he worked harder, he could afford to pay his own way.

Forcing hardworking people to pay even MORE in social services to people who are too lazy to manage their own lives isn't really a good solution, is it?
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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If I were the judge I would throw the case out and not give him any jail time. People shouldn't manipulate the system and exploit taxpayers like this.
Additionally, he should be billed for the police call/response, the arrest, the trial costs, and any costs to the bank in question.

Additionally he should be hit with punitive damages equal to 3x the actual costs.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Durham, NC
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Wow. I was considering doing the exact same thing a few years ago. With a disabled spouse who couldn't receive proper care, all of our assets taken by the state, and having been served a foreclosure notice, it also seemed to me to be the best solution to an impossible situation. Doing so would have forced the state to make her a ward of the state and provide all of the care she requires, and I would've at least had a roof over my head, three square meals a day, some level of healthcare, and even the ability to keep up a physical fitness routine. I applaud his initiative, altough there is a state-funded healthcare plan for someone like him that he should've looked into first.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Maybe if he planned his life a little better, he wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Maybe if he worked harder, he could afford to pay his own way.

Forcing hardworking people to pay even MORE in social services to people who are too lazy to manage their own lives isn't really a good solution, is it?
Two men working in the same field, at their same strength. One plows 10 rows, the other only 5.
Why should one man be paid double, if they both worked their hardest?


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brian
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:08 AM
 
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There already is. It is illegal for a hospital to refuse treatment to anyone.
Think. Are you referring to an emergency room because if you're not hospitals can refuse treatment and do all day long. Suppose this poor sap has cancer?
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Two men working in the same field, at their same strength. One plows 10 rows, the other only 5.
Why should one man be paid double, if they both worked their hardest?


Blessings,
brian
Because if one SELLS the results, one has 2x more results to sell than the first, however, if the crops the first has planted, are of better quality, then the 2 may very equal out.

Of one is to simply survive off of the results, then the person with the larger result, has more to survive one.

The end is, if 2 people do their best, and 1 person is better than the other at something, the the other should find what THEY are best at, and change careers, so that they can earn a living equal to the one who can plant 2 times more than he can.

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Old 06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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Two men working in the same field, at their same strength. One plows 10 rows, the other only 5.
Why should one man be paid double, if they both worked their hardest?


Blessings,
brian
Seriously? Because one produced twice the results.

The harder you work, the more you get. Life is what you make of it. You get out what you put in. Only plow 5 rows, only get paid for five rows. If your hardest is not good enough, then maybe plowing isn't your thing. This isn't kindergarten. We don't get paid for effort. We get paid for results.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Because if one SELLS the results, one has 2x more results to sell than the first, however, if the crops the first has planted, are of better quality, then the 2 may very equal out.

Of one is to simply survive off of the results, then the person with the larger result, has more to survive one.

The end is, if 2 people do their best, and 1 person is better than the other at something, the the other should fins what THEY are best at, and change careers, so that they can earn a living equal to the one who can plant 2 times more than he can.

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Seriously? Because one produced twice the results.

The harder you work, the more you get. Life is what you make of it. You get out what you put in. Only plow 5 rows, only get paid for five rows. If your hardest is not good enough, then maybe plowing isn't your thing. This isn't kindergarten. We don't get paid for effort. We get paid for results.
Life isn't about "merit." In my example, I said that both people worked equally hard. If they give the same effort, for the same workday, why should one person earn more than the other??

The answer is simple: he shouldn't! If a person is content with his work, he doesn't need to look for different work. Life is not about "maximum production," even though capitalism is all about that. "Maximum production" is the cause for much tragedy in society today.

So, if a person does what he enjoys, and gives his best at it, his wage ought to be equal to that of his neighbor. That is called equality.

And health care must be equally accessible to all, no matter how big your salary is.


Blessings,
brian
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