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These neocons have come out of six years of all but dictatorial federal level control with nothing but disaster and disgrace to show for it. Their only hope is to sling mud -- even made-up mud -- at others. It's all they can do. Pretty sorry, all in all...
Sure, first hand experience. Mayor comes out with a increase in city tax to improve our driving experience. People say, yeah howdy, finally going to get the pot holes fixed.
Pot holes are still there. but we have nice bronze statues at every corner to look at.
But people forget. 4 years before that, they added more tax to take care of streets. Same streets have the same problems after years.
They don't use the money to fix what they lead us to believe it was going to be fixing.
Aha! This is a great explanation of what happened. Finally!!
So you agree with me that these liberal rogue mayors and governors of liberal states raise taxes with promises to fix the infrastructure and all and they go and spend it on "luxuries" like bronze statues and expansions of museums and art centers pretty much no one visits??
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Every city you mention save NYC is losing population as people determine they'd rather live where the weather is nicer. With the exception of New Orleans, all the cities are in the "Rust Belt", though with the amount of rain Louisiana gets, it's hardly an inappropriate moniker. Every industrial city has an aging infrastructure with lots of bridges, factories, etc. Newer cities' economies are more service-based and their infrastructures are not only less complex but built with newer technologies. Basically, you can't compare these cities to the new ones in the "Sun Belt" states.
These older well-established cities usually lean left of center (with very few exceptions, conservative Cincinnati comes to mind). One could easily argue that in old age, one wises up to reality. But to argue that the cause of dangerous infrastructure is due to liberals is astonishing. You are really reaching on this one, Nirvana-Guy. When everyone starts leaving the conservative cities, do you think they'll not raise taxes to cover the deficiency? Oh, wait, that's the liberals' fault and has nothing to do with economic survival.
Interesting. Conservative states are exploding in population. People are leaving liberal cities all over the place and coming down to Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Arizona, etc. In case you did not notice, the JOBS are coming to Conservative areas as well, because they are sick and tired of super-high taxes and the money goes into something futile, as the previous poster noted, like a bronze statue or expansion of a art museum probably 0.1% of a city visits.
Oh come on. You gonna deny that all the cities I listed were 100% under liberal Democrats' control??? Another poster even denied the road works were the responsibility of the state or the county or the city. Yes, the levies in NO were inspected by the US Army Corps of Engineers, BUT the Federal Funds were sent to the city and state to fix/update the livies. The liberal LA Governor (Catherine Blanco, a Democrat) and Ray Nagin (a Socialist Democrat) used the money for something esle. Bush's fault? Oh please!
People want to blame Bush for everything. I mean a kid dies in Brazil in a road accident and people blame Bush for not sending them money to build a overpass. Come on you guys. These liberal-controlled projects were mismanaged. That is what happens with big government. It is the easy way to blame Bush for everything, that takes away personal responsibility from the local liberal governments,.
I know personal responsibility is a curse word in the liberal dictionary, as no liberal ever owns up or think people are personally responsible for things. But people need to own up that roads and bridges within a municipality ARE owened by the city/county. Minnesota is 100% at fault and they will be dully sued by the victims for it. The Feds will probably dodge the bullet here. The Big Dig in Boston was a pet project of the liberal government there that imploded. Same deal with NYC.... Bloomberg is a "Blooming Liberal" and the city is a mess, 100x worse than back when Giulliani was in power. The infra-structure of the city is horrendous, the graffitti came back strong in NYC and safety has gone down. Bloomberg, the Blooming Idiot has gone back in time and un-done the Giulliani's projects for safety improvements and city cleaness.
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These neocons have come out of six years of all but dictatorial federal level control with nothing but disaster and disgrace to show for it. Their only hope is to sling mud -- even made-up mud -- at others. It's all they can do. Pretty sorry, all in all...
Uh.... the "neo cons" as you call them, want SMALLER government. We would do away with income taxes and do away with most Federal agencies if we had it our way. It is liberals who want huge governmental bureocracies that get nothing done. You people think the Feds are at fault for all these faulty civic projects in these liberal-controlled states? Fine. But this should show you how "capable" your Federal Govenrment really is!!
This should tell people that government needs to be smaller, local, more accountable. These liberal states have suffered the fates of cities and towns that take Federal funds and blow it on crap projects or steal the funds.
Traditional neoconservatism calls for high levels of social and governmental spending, combined with expansion of federal power, so that society can be more easily re-shaped, re-fashioned, and 'managed.' That's why we saw big government expansions (Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc.) and massive increases in government expenditures between 2002 and 2006 - a time when Republicans held BOTH houses of Congress AND the executive branch. There were no obstacles to their power in that time - and, given that power, they used it to build a bigger, more-expensive government than ever.
That's neoconservatism for you. Neocons believe in big social projects, like 'democratizing' Iraq, or getting the feds into all the public schools.
Only the so-called 'paleo' and 'libertarian' conservatives believe in limited government spending. Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul believe in small government; George Bush and Tom DeLay believed in huge government.
Traditional neoconservatism calls for high levels of social and governmental spending, combined with expansion of federal power, so that society can be more easily re-shaped, re-fashioned, and 'managed.' That's why we saw big government expansions (Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc.) and massive increases in government expenditures between 2002 and 2006 - a time when Republicans held BOTH houses of Congress AND the executive branch. There were no obstacles to their power in that time - and, given that power, they used it to build a bigger, more-expensive government than ever.
That's neoconservatism for you. Neocons believe in big social projects, like 'democratizing' Iraq, or getting the feds into all the public schools.
Only the so-called 'paleo' and 'libertarian' conservatives believe in limited government spending. Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul believe in small government; George Bush and Tom DeLay believed in huge government.
Oh you got this one wrong. Conservatism wants to CUT spending as much as possible.
The whole list you mention (Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc.), these were all Bush's doing with his liberal best friend, Ted Kennedy. The No Child Left Behind and the whole Medicare D deal has Ted Kennedy's fingerprints ALL OVER IT. I can Google a pic of Bush and Ted Kennedy in the signing of both bills.
Mind you, Bush DECEIVED Conservative Americans of all walks of life as being a 'conservative' while Bush is more of a liberal, like John "Juan" McCain.
There is NO DOUBT that Bush has done a ton of damage to the real conservative movement in America that dates back to the 1980s with Reagan. The Conservative movement which is philosophically lead by Newt Gingrich and Reagan are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than the Bush and McCain "Liberal" Conservativism.
But in 2008, we are electing a real conservative. I like Ron Paul and I like Tnacredo. These guys are the real deal. Thompson might cut it as well, but we will see. The Rudy Giulliani and John "Juan" McCain "conservatives" want the same as Bush - big government and lots of spending and open borders.
That is why Conservatives are leaning more towards Tancredo and Paul, although their electability chances are not as good, due to the special interest groups pumping billions into the Rudy-types.
But I reinterate my point: Bush DECEIVED Conservative Americans of all stripes as being a 'conservative' while he is more of a liberal, like John McCain.
And the TRUE CONSERVATIVES will prevail in 2008! You will see.
Conservatism wants to CUT spending as much as possible.
We're talking about neoconservatism, not conservatism. They are not the same thing, despite what the neocons tell you.
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The whole list you mention (Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, etc.), these were all Bush's doing with his liberal best friend, Ted Kennedy. The No Child Left Behind and the whole Medicare D deal has Ted Kennedy's fingerprints ALL OVER IT.
So why didn't the Republicans - who held a MAJORITY in both houses - just vote it down? You can't blame the Democrats for these things. They weren't the ones in power. Republicans were.
After the Bush administration has poured hundreds of billions of tax dollars down a bottomless pit to fight the Iraq war, and spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors in general, I'm amazed that anybody could possibly complain about liberal "mismanagement" of money.
That is why Conservatives are leaning more towards Tancredo and Paul, although their electability chances are not as good, due to the special interest groups pumping billions into the Rudy-types.
Which is the great thing about the Internet. The candidates that the special interests, the MSM, and the party machinery want us to ignore can still get their messages out.
Both the Liberals and Conservatives are equally guilty
It does not matter if it is coming from left or right...The special interest groups have all politicians in their pockets.
And, I would not know where to begin in listing those special interests and the projects that benefit them.
In Europe, Asia, and other parts of the world, cities and buildings have stood for hundreds of years. Many highways are much better in Europe than in the USA. While at the same time, certain areas in the USA have better maintained roads that other areas - And, this includes the interstate highways (that are funded by the Federal Government).
Our cities will spend money on tearing down sports arenas that have been around for only a few decades, and replace them just to make more money for the sports industry. Yet, these same cities have miserable roads.
They will tear down buildings and evict people for the benefit of the real estate interests - even though there are plenty of abandoned buildings and devastated areas that could be utilized.
The companies that build the highways are not held accountable for the longevity of the roads. The roads can be built stronger and better. These companies are structured to avoid liability for their work.
There can be arguments that the cities have much more traffic than other areas - But, the roads can be designed and constructed to withstand this situation.
And, there can be changes enforced to ease the situations. Like in NYC - More focus should be on more and better mass transit. The number of cars and trucks going in and out of the city per day is ridiculous. Too many individual workers drive into the city and park their cars all day. All truck deliveries should be made at night....And, other changes can be made.
Throughout the country, things can be run better...But, as long as we have "career" politicians, there will be only one focus...The politicians interests...
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Both the Liberals and Conservatives are equally guilty
