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View Poll Results: Is America still a free country?
Yes 36 32.43%
No 67 60.36%
Not sure 8 7.21%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-22-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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You might do better to ask yourself why there needs to be laws against such things...THEN decide how free you really are.

Well, a lot of the examples given are obviously local or state level laws, or the example is too 'inclusive'. Several states, for instance, still allow a person to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. I have certainly been to many businesses where the owner smokes (a local car shop, for instance). I can walk outside, tan, walk inside, and then back out for a 'touch up' without fear of the law (; I obviously know the poster meant tanning salons).

Many laws are, of course, silly and intrusive. We often wonder about some of the city regulations passed by the people on the San Francisco city council: yet, the voting public seem to like what they are doing. I do not, hence I do not live in San Francisco.

My point is: most of these laws do not touch on our basic 'freedoms' as stated in the Constitution. During the 'Arab Spring' those people were not marching in order to go to tanning salons twice a day.

I know of one rather sad person who constantly rails against the DWI laws. He claims he can drink all he wants and still drive perfectly. The people of Texas think otherwise. He, of course, maintains that he is not 'free'. Such is life.

 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Speaking for myself, i'm free.

In fact, i'm waiting for someone to tell me a time when this nation was any more free than it is now.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Well, a lot of the examples given are obviously local or state level laws, or the example is too 'inclusive'. Several states, for instance, still allow a person to ride a motorcycle without a helmet. I have certainly been to many businesses where the owner smokes (a local car shop, for instance). I can walk outside, tan, walk inside, and then back out for a 'touch up' without fear of the law (; I obviously know the poster meant tanning salons).

Many laws are, of course, silly and intrusive. We often wonder about some of the city regulations passed by the people on the San Francisco city council: yet, the voting public seem to like what they are doing. I do not, hence I do not live in San Francisco.

My point is: most of these laws do not touch on our basic 'freedoms' as stated in the Constitution. During the 'Arab Spring' those people were not marching in order to go to tanning salons twice a day.

I know of one rather sad person who constantly rails against the DWI laws. He claims he can drink all he wants and still drive perfectly. The people of Texas think otherwise. He, of course, maintains that he is not 'free'. Such is life.

You cherry picked from the list, and yes, some are trivial.

But how about price controls? How about profit controls? How about government stipulated operating hours? How about the government deciding who can operate a business? How about government telling me I cannot be an interior designer without a license?

And as I said, this list came to mind in 3 minutes...

Look further and you will see a loss of freedom from unreasonable searches. Cops can go into your house without a warrant (see the recent Indiana case). We have a patriot act that allows phone taps without a warrant. We have drones spying on our homes. We have vans with x-ray equipment spying on our homes. We have traffic light cameras recording our movements. We have cops confiscating property of innocent people.....presumed to be guilty until proven innocent, and even then not able to get their property back.

We have cops stopping innocent, law abiding drivers and requiring them to prove that they are not drunk (so much for innocent until proven guilty).

We have TSA x-rays and groping our private parts.

If you have operated a business, you would know that government regulates almost every thing you do.

Wake up !!!! If you cannot see these huge losses of freedom, you just aren't looking.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Wake up !!!! If you cannot see these huge losses of freedom, you just aren't looking.
Good luck with that...most don't care about loss of freedoms as long as it doesn't affect them.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Well, a lot of the examples given are obviously local or state level laws....,

Does a local or state law taking away your freedom make you more free?

Other states and cities frequently copy the others who are leaders in freedom restricting laws.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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I voted yes on the basis that it is freer now than then. so if the operative word is "still" I got to go with it.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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You cherry picked from the list, and yes, some are trivial.

But how about price controls? How about profit controls? How about government stipulated operating hours? How about the government deciding who can operate a business? How about government telling me I cannot be an interior designer without a license?

And as I said, this list came to mind in 3 minutes...

Look further and you will see a loss of freedom from unreasonable searches. Cops can go into your house without a warrant (see the recent Indiana case). We have a patriot act that allows phone taps without a warrant. We have drones spying on our homes. We have vans with x-ray equipment spying on our homes. We have traffic light cameras recording our movements. We have cops confiscating property of innocent people.....presumed to be guilty until proven innocent, and even then not able to get their property back.

We have cops stopping innocent, law abiding drivers and requiring them to prove that they are not drunk (so much for innocent until proven guilty).

We have TSA x-rays and groping our private parts.

If you have operated a business, you would know that government regulates almost every thing you do.

Wake up !!!! If you cannot see these huge losses of freedom, you just aren't looking.
So you wish to be an interior designer, eh?

Interior Designers

There is a lot more to it than just pushing couches around and picking the right shape and color of a pillow.

Anyway, no doubt that there are plenty of laws and regulations, many are, as I said, intrusive to some people.

It just comes down on your definition of 'freedom', which is nebulous, to say the least.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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It just comes down on your definition of 'freedom', which is nebulous, to say the least.
There is another whole line of repressive regulation.

Check this one out;


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Old 06-22-2011, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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So you wish to be an interior designer, eh?

Interior Designers

There is a lot more to it than just pushing couches around and picking the right shape and color of a pillow.
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You are correct, and the best way to be sure that somebody is a good designer is to let the market have it's way. The bad ones will go out of business.

And by the way, having a license to design does not mean in any way that you will do a good job.
 
Old 06-22-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You are correct, and the best way to be sure that somebody is a good designer is to let the market have it's way. The bad ones will go out of business.

And by the way, having a license to design does not mean in any way that you will do a good job.
Quite true...

Strange you are required to have a license to cut hair,and be an interior designer but do not need anything to be a Mechanic and work on someone's vehicle....
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