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One only need to look at the national bank that the Federalists supported.
Does the federal reserve ring a bell?
Remember, Hamilton wanted to make Washington President for life, and the Federalists wanted to put him in a tomb beneath the capitol building.
Even Jefferson went against his own dogma as a Democratic-Republican because of the Louisiana purchase, which he had 0 authority to do.
Its why I tell people we have never once had a constructional view of the constitution followed. The federal government has always taken an interpretive view of the constitution, thats what the Judicial branches job is, interpret the constitution.
Which kind of justices do you prefer on the Supreme Court? I prefer the strict constructionists over those who look to change things because other nations change to more and more socialism. Of course, you know that.
What were the purposes of the Federalist papers? I think they were written to convince people in the nation that the Constitution would work very well and that the Articles of Confederation failed because they provided all those tiny nations called states.
Are you trying to tell Robeaux that the Federalists of that day were just the same as the Republicans of today? If that is the case you think of the Democrats as the Federalists. Now everybody knows that the first two parties were the Federalists, and the anti-Federalists who were the left over supporters of the Articles with a very weak national government.
Which of these groups did Washington really belong to? I know that Jefferson didn't really like Washington because he may have appointed old Jeff to be Secretary of State, the top Cabinet job, but Washington always went to Hamilton first and took his advice before that of Jefferson.
What happened to the anti-Federalists? For that matter, what caused the Democratic-Republicans to become a party so early. When did the DRs drop the Republican part? What caused the Republican Party to replace the Whigs when it happened.
Do you really think that Jeffeerson was a bad guy for making the Louisiana Purchase? I think it was very smart and am so glad it happened.
Which kind of justices do you prefer on the Supreme Court? I prefer the strict constructionists over those who look to change things because other nations change to more and more socialism. Of course, you know that.
What were the purposes of the Federalist papers? I think they were written to convince people in the nation that the Constitution would work very well and that the Articles of Confederation failed because they provided all those tiny nations called states.
Are you trying to tell Robeaux that the Federalists of that day were just the same as the Republicans of today? If that is the case you think of the Democrats as the Federalists. Now everybody knows that the first two parties were the Federalists, and the anti-Federalists who were the left over supporters of the Articles with a very weak national government.
Which of these groups did Washington really belong to? I know that Jefferson didn't really like Washington because he may have appointed old Jeff to be Secretary of State, the top Cabinet job, but Washington always went to Hamilton first and took his advice before that of Jefferson.
What happened to the anti-Federalists? For that matter, what caused the Democratic-Republicans to become a party so early. When did the DRs drop the Republican part? What caused the Republican Party to replace the Whigs when it happened.
Do you really think that Jeffeerson was a bad guy for making the Louisiana Purchase? I think it was very smart and am so glad it happened.
But my point is that we've never had that, ever.
No federal government, whether it Federalist, Democratic-Republican, Whig, Democratic, or Republican has ever followed that.
If anything the United States has done over the last 200 years is important to you, then you favor a interpretive view of the constitution.
Secession, for instance, was constitutional until the 14th amendment was ratified. So the southern states had every right to leave the union.
Nothing about our government is black and white, its about how dark or light the gray it needs to be.
The courts job is to interpret the constitution, it says that, in the constitution.
You should really learn more about the founding fathers and what they wanted.
There were two founding fathers rules of thoughts, it lead to the Federalist and the Democratic-Republican parties.
The federalists favored a interpretive view of the constitution, and a strong central government that put money into industry. Many in that party also felt that there should be an American aristocracy.
The Democratic-Republicans favored a strict adherence to the constitution, or a "constructional" view of it. They wanted a nation of small family farmers was what we needed, with little industry, and little government intervention.
The same debate that we have today was going on when the current constitution was written.
The founding fathers had various ideas, it wasn't about small government. What they didn't want was to pay British taxes, they had no problem taxing Americans for American needs.
Hey, when did the Democrats change from strict construction to the very liberal kind of thought they have today? I always wondered when that was.
Because the way American society is working now just ain't working no more!
Considering how fast this country is going down the tubes, why would anyone be satisfied with the status quo or the way things "have always been done"???
Have to disagree. Thomas Jefferson, my favorite Founding Father and leader of the anti-Federalists, was very clear that a large centralized federal government was the worst possible thing that could happen to America. He opposed ANY internal taxation to pay for the federal government, knowing that if it was limited to tariffs and trade levies for income, it couldn't "take over" the nation, grab power from the States, and destroy the dream of American freedom and small government. His predictions came true, and federalism took over like the cancer that it is--but he also pointed out that we would have to fight periodically to regain the freedoms that government growth inevitably will destroy. Time to take back America.
Here are some Jefferson quotes every American should know and love:
--"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
--"The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits."
--"I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." (written in 1824).
--"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."
--"I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive."
--"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
--"Most bad government has grown out of too much government."
--"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first."
--"A wise and frugal Government, which shall retrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
--"The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
This one from Jefferson is my favorite from him (-"Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread."
This evening in a telephone town hall meeting my Representative holds about every 2 weeks he stated some of the USDA crap that is being thrown at farmers that would for Jefferson to roll over in his grave. This crap is coming from the head of the group and needs to be stopped as soon as possible. However with out present President and Senate it will coniinue until the revolution.
Thats what I wrote, Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican that felt that a small government, with a nation of small family farmers was what was best for the country.
Of course he went completely against his principle when he bought Louisiana from Napoleon without authorization from Congress.
Hamilton was a Federalist that wanted an American aristocracy, large federal government that had a federal bank to lend to private business owners.
Okay, you are saying that Jefferson was an anti-Federalist until Washington forced him to lead a new named party.
Okay, you are saying that Jefferson was an anti-Federalist until Washington forced him to lead a new named party.
Washington favored some federalists ideals, but he remained independent and didn't support everything that Hamilton did.
Could you imagine having a cabinet with two polar opposites in it like Jefferson and Hamilton today? Crazy.
And the poster I was referring to seemed to think that I was saying that Jefferson was a federalist, which he never was. You're right, started off as an anti-federalist, then became a D-R.
To be fair, they seem to have a strong sense of equal treatment.
It strikes me that the schism occurs when equal opportunity morphs into equal situation.
That good old equality of opportunity as compared to equality of condition is what it seems you are pointing at. I much prefer the equality of opportunity that we have always had up to heavy progressive time when they pushed so hard for equality of condition. That condition thing is just a wee bit socialist.
No federal government, whether it Federalist, Democratic-Republican, Whig, Democratic, or Republican has ever followed that.
If anything the United States has done over the last 200 years is important to you, then you favor a interpretive view of the constitution.
Secession, for instance, was constitutional until the 14th amendment was ratified. So the southern states had every right to leave the union.
Nothing about our government is black and white, its about how dark or light the gray it needs to be.
The courts job is to interpret the constitution, it says that, in the constitution.
How well is that Court doing today with the 4 justices who voted against WalMart on it? You know very well that the Court will be completely different if there becomes a need for another appointment with Obama in the high chair. The vote of yesterday would be 4 - 5 with his new appointment voting. Those 4 are the ones who see the Constitution as something to be loosely read and changed.
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