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Old 06-22-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Unless the topic's sole intent is to bash Obama and EPA, "that" has everything to do with the topic. AEP is shifting/consolidating production, just like corporations have shifted/consolidated offices to be more efficient, and oil companies have closed nearly half of the refineries over last 30 years, but also increasing production. The plants you read/heard about aren't worth the cost. AEP itself admits that they have been rarely put to use considering low cost/availability of natural gas.

Corporations like AEP not only need consumers, they also have the desire to maximize profits at any cost, and they could always use politics to play the game, with just enough people carrying the torch for them. What thinking entity wouldn't want a win-win situation? Those carrying the torch... well, they are a whole different category of folks.




So we got the EPA running around making business decisions for businesses which will be very costly and the libs don't see why that's a problem.

I just got through posting on a lib thread b*thching about businesses sitting on their money instead of expanding and hiring people.

Why is it that libs cannot connect the dots?

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Old 06-22-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The power company is not going to absorb the costs and they will passed onto the consumers and business's. It's the bottom line of the entire country because the cost of energy effects everything.
When is it that they haven't? What is the guarantee that they won't (absent the excuses)? Do you think AEP is targeting reduced overall capacity and told that to its majority shareholders?

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So we got the EPA running around making business decision for businesses which will be very costly and the libs don't see why that's a problem. I just got through posting on a lib thread b*thching about businesses sitting on their money instead of expanding and hiring people. Why is it that libs cannot connect the dots?
The conservative problem is that they spend way too much time connecting the dots provided to them by crooks, instead of thinking. Perhaps you should tell me... when was the last time you thought AEP as a corporation existed for your all around personal benefit and that the policies it engages in, the games any corporation plays has YOU as the priority?
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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When is it that they haven't? What is the guarantee that they won't (absent the excuses)?
LOL, you're running around in circles and not making sense.

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The costs of complying with the regulations will result in an increase in electricity prices of 10 to 35 percent and cost 600 jobs, AEP said.
The bottom line is higher electric rates because of these regualtions and job losses. Period.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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AEP is doing what petroleum companies have been doing for years... increasing production, using minimum resources, to minimize its costs. To think that corporations are actually thinking about YOU, well...
This is the model for any business.

Also, if you think any business, goververnment agency or union is actually thinking of you, well...it's not the role of a business to think about you outside of fullfilling a need, and the government/politicians only think of how to get your vote by making you think they're thinking about you, all the while lining their pockets. As for unions, they used to be the one voice for the people, of the people. To bad they operate just like the government these days.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:00 AM
 
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[quote=EinsteinsGhost;19700596]When is it that they haven't? What is the guarantee that they won't (absent the excuses)? Do you think AEP is targeting reduced overall capacity and told that to its majority shareholders?


The conservative problem is that they spend way too much time connecting the dots provided to them by crooks, instead of thinking. Perhaps you should tell me... when was the last time you thought AEP as a corporation existed for your all around personal benefit and that the policies it engages in, the [b]games any corporation plays has YOU as the priority?QUOTE]

...and that is the million dollar question, or in this case, multi billion dollar question. The defense of the big corporation's machinations by the every day individual is mind boggling. This is the portion of the masses that enables such greed to proliferate by buying into the propaganda, out and out corruption, greed and lies. Mind blowing.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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LOL, you're running around in circles and not making sense.
I don’t think that is the problem. Perhaps you can explain, along with your reluctance to respond to the question? Unless they make for inconvenience compared to the accusation.

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The bottom line is higher electric rates because of these regualtions and job losses. Period.
I'm assuming you believe that AEP hasn't targeted higher electric rates and laying off people until the regulation came about.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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This is the model for any business.

Also, if you think any business, goververnment agency or union is actually thinking of you, well...it's not the role of a business to think about you outside of fullfilling a need, and the government/politicians only think of how to get your vote by making you think they're thinking about you, all the while lining their pockets. As for unions, they used to be the one voice for the people, of the people. To bad they operate just like the government these days.
Of course it is.

But your second statement begs the questions: What do you think the role of governments is? To make profits, like a business? To reduce personal costs, like a person? Why do you hate government and love corporations?
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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Certainly in time coall which we are the Saudi of will come into play as expense makes it cheaper to use cleaner. Many of the alternatives will still play a minor part. Not many will never see crude replaced living now as to energy content;cost and the thousands of products it makes besides fuels.I doubt mnay are goig to rush out and pay full MSRP for a Volt or mnay prodcued than the Prius.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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I'm assuming you believe that AEP hasn't targeted higher electric rates and laying off people until the regulation came about.
Provide me with one regualtion in any industry anywhere in this country that has not increased costs.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:22 AM
 
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Of course it is.

But your second statement begs the questions: What do you think the role of governments is? To make profits, like a business? To reduce personal costs, like a person? Why do you hate government and love corporations?
I don't hate government. I believe they are way out of their boundaries set forth at the beginning of our country, and the formula they have set has been pushing us over the cliff for nearly one hundred years.

And I certainly don't love corporations as you mean. I think there is a gargantuan amount of greed withing the biggest, such as GE. I bring that company up because I know it intimately, and I know how sickening it operates. That being said, if their objective wasn't to make a profit, they wouldn't be able to provide you and I with the goods and services we CHOOSE to buy.

I think government's role should be along the nonprofit scale. Yes, we have to raise money for defense, infrastructure, and welfare for those who truly cannot take care of themselves, and so on. But these governement agencies such as the EPA are nothing more the bloated money makers.
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