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Old 06-22-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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Hardly something to brag about:
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That's Politifact's take on Stuart's claim.

The horse sh*t surveys are another matter altogether.

Basically, liberal hack squads attempting to pass themselves off as non-liberal hack squads have done some polls in which questions were asked to measure viewer knowledge about current news stories. The officially correct answers were provided by interested parties and based on assumptions made by other interested parties. In other words, opinions.
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Still, within this little answer here you should find the time to say that this thread is an epic FAIL.... Seeing as you are now attempting to debunk the source that apparently "shredded John Stewart's claim", which we can see it didn't....

This is funny!!


Debunk?

"That's Politifact's take on Stuart's claim." = debunk ???
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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Had you actually read the Politifact write-up?

I think you would have avoided this topic.

It doesn't do much to enhance your side of the coin... LOL!!!

If conservatives outsourced their thought process the way liberals do, you might have a point.

Politifact leans pretty hard left. That they can't support Stuart's claim just means the best they can do is punt.

Other sources such as the Balitimore Sun and WSJ have directly addressed the questions used and called to account the methodology used in the survey.

Asking for an opinion and then declairing some opinions correct and others incorrect doesn't make for a scientific poll.



"As for Stewart's "every poll" claim, other surveys have used less prejudiced questions to try to test the public's knowledge, and rate Fox News viewers as among the most informed. In 2008, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press asked respondents to identify which party held the majority in the House of Representatives, the Prime Minister of Britain, and the current Secretary of State. Unlike the PIPA study, these were genuinely fact-based questions without ideological baggage.
Just under a fifth of those polled (18%) could answer all three questions, while a third (33%) of couldn't answer any of them. But among those who exceeded the national average were viewers of FNC's Hannity & Colmes and The O'Reilly Factor — as well as viewers of Stewart's The Daily Show and Comedy Central's The Colbert Report."

Jon Stewart vs. Fox News - WSJ.com
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:42 PM
 
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Pardon Jon. Fox only scored lowest in two of the surveys and near the bottom in all the rest.

Then he corrected what he said on the next show and totally embarrassed FOX in the process.

Hulu - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Fox News False Statements (http://www.hulu.com/watch/251750/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-fox-news-false-statements - broken link)

Well if Fox viewers are misinformed, Stuart's audience must be a bunch of ripe morons because in 2008 Daily Show viewers scored well below Hannity & Colmes viewers.

And once again, particular Fox shows scored well above the average. Hannity & Colmes was one of only four choices to exceed 40 percent -- the others were the New Yorker/the Atlantic, NPR and MSNBC’s Hardball -- while The O’Reilly Factor scored 28 percent, or 10 points above the national average. (Hannity & Colmes even exceeded Stewart’s Daily Show in this poll, 42 percent to 30 percent.)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...news-are-most/
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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You know what FOX viewers are? The same demographic that sends their limited disposable income to TV evangelists. The same demographic that falls for every late night infomercial claim.

Poorly educated, low IQ, elderly whites, mainly from the West and Southern States.


Mostly they're Tea Partiers!

Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated - NYTimes.com
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Of course an astroturf "movement" would be wealthier and more educated.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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If conservatives outsourced their thought process the way liberals do, you might have a point.

Politifact leans pretty hard left. That they can't support Stuart's claim just means the best they can do is punt.

Other sources such as the Balitimore Sun and WSJ have directly addressed the questions used and called to account the methodology used in the survey.

Asking for an opinion and then declairing some opinions correct and others incorrect doesn't make for a scientific poll.



"As for Stewart's "every poll" claim, other surveys have used less prejudiced questions to try to test the public's knowledge, and rate Fox News viewers as among the most informed. In 2008, the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press asked respondents to identify which party held the majority in the House of Representatives, the Prime Minister of Britain, and the current Secretary of State. Unlike the PIPA study, these were genuinely fact-based questions without ideological baggage.
Just under a fifth of those polled (18%) could answer all three questions, while a third (33%) of couldn't answer any of them. But among those who exceeded the national average were viewers of FNC's Hannity & Colmes and The O'Reilly Factor — as well as viewers of Stewart's The Daily Show and Comedy Central's The Colbert Report."

Jon Stewart vs. Fox News - WSJ.com
Of course facts lean "pretty hard" to the left. Of course.
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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Fox lies?

Do tell...
I'll let Chris Wallace tell you.

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Wallace let slip, inadvertently perhaps, that FOX is not really a “fair and balanced” news out fit as the network's slogan promotes, but has a particular ax to grind.
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When Stewart challenged Wallace, asking him if he believed that Fox News is as ideologically neutral as most of the mainstream media, Wallace replied, "We're the counterweight. They have a liberal agenda, and we tell the other side of the story."

FOX NEWS ANCHOR IMPLIES THE NETWORK IS NOT “FAIR AND BALANCED”


And here:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...air---balanced
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Old 06-22-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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Considering the fact that one of Politifact's sources places Fox News audience above National Enquirer, Religious channels, The Weather Channel... among the last place finishers, Jon Stewart's claim that Fox News' audience is the most uninformed is clearly false. But then, did Jon actually claim that?
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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Considering the fact that one of Politifact's sources places Fox News audience above National Enquirer, Religious channels, The Weather Channel... among the last place finishers, Jon Stewart's claim that Fox News' audience is the most uninformed is clearly false. But then, did Jon actually claim that?

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Old 06-22-2011, 02:14 PM
 
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Stop hitting your head, and say something so we can have a discussion.
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