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Old 06-23-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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How so? Other than repeating the "Ron Paul is nuts" line that you've heard, how is he insane? What policies make him insane?

Bring the troops home, insane?
Stop managing an empire, insane?
Stop the useless war on drugs, that adds to the problems of drug use. Insane?
Institute competition in the school system, insane?
Institute competition in the monetary system, insane?
Get the Feds out of peoples personal business, insane?
Stop the out of control spending, insane?
Freedom, insane?

Did you know Ron Paul has NEVER voted to spend a dime of medicare or medicaid? How many other politicians have done that?

Seems to me that the people who call him insane are attached to the welfare state, and can't imagine life without it.
Property rights trumping human rights on the issue of public accomodations is insane, if he really is NOT a racist.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Property rights trumping human rights on the issue of public accomodations is insane, if he really is NOT a racist.
What 'human right' are you referring to???
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Ron Paul is a perfectly plausible candidate, especially compared to his competition. Some of his neo-Confederate type friends scare me a little, but aside from perhaps Gary Johnson I don't see a better choice for the GOP.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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What 'human right' are you referring to???
Katiana is referring to a statement RP made about the Civil Rights Act. He said he didn't like it because it was the government telling private business owners what to do with their property. He also goes on to talk about how he would have OPPOSED the Jim Crow laws. Yes the very laws created by our government that promoted racism. All these people who say RP is racist conveniently leave this little bit of info out. If he was racist he would favor the Jim Crow laws, wouldn't he?

Today, if you opened a store that said "Whites Only" you would be out of business in a minute, because I would open a store down the streets that would welcome all.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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Also, if Ron Paul is a racist, then why would his policies do nothing but help the minority community? For instance, he opposes the drug war. Yes, the very same drug war that wreaks havoc on the black and hispanic communities. Why does he not oppose gay marriage? Wouldn't a racist oppose gay marriage? A large portion of the lower income community also fights our wars, which RP strongly opposes.
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Katiana is referring to a statement RP made about the Civil Rights Act. He said he didn't like it because it was the government telling private business owners what to do with their property. He also goes on to talk about how he would have OPPOSED the Jim Crow laws. Yes the very laws created by our government that promoted racism. All these people who say RP is racist conveniently leave this little bit of info out. If he was racist he would favor the Jim Crow laws, wouldn't he?

Today, if you opened a store that said "Whites Only" you would be out of business in a minute, because I would open a store down the streets that would welcome all.
I know what she was referring to,I am just wondering what 'human right' would be violated???

The basic human right to eat at any restaurant?

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Old 06-23-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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Today, if you opened a store that said "Whites Only" you would be out of business in a minute, because I would open a store down the streets that would welcome all.
I predict you'd do quite well, actually. There is definitely a niche market for whites-only goods and services. A store where I don't have to worry that blacks have tried on the shoes before me? Hot dog! Let's party like it's 1954!
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:06 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Agreed, but you have to factor in political corruption. Can't speak for RP, but I would assume this is probably his stance. Anything controlled by the government is subject to corruption, mismanagement, and profiteering.

Of course but it would be open on "ours" as opposed to a private unaccountable bank. As Bill Still says "The main regulator for controlling the QUANTITY of U.S. Notes issued, would be a National Monetary Authority (NMA) made up of one elected representative from each of the several States, serving a 2-year term only, limited to two terms. That way, Congress would set a target inflation rate, and the NMA would be responsible for hitting that target by using appropriate tools to control the QUANTITY of U.S. Notes issued. Of course, a mandatory feature of this system would be an end of fractional reserve lending by commercial banks, i.e. a full-reserve banking system."

At least we would not have debt.
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Old 06-23-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I predict you'd do quite well, actually. There is definitely a niche market for whites-only goods and services. A store where I don't have to worry that blacks have tried on the shoes before me? Hot dog! Let's party like it's 1954!
Exactly! I grew up in Pennsylvania, which didn't have "whites only" businesses. Still, there were certain businesses where it was "known" they didn't serve blacks. This was in the 50s/60s. Didn't hurt these businesses a bit, and my hometown was ~10% black.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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He seems close on the money issue but so far away. Bill Still reached out to Paul to work out a realistic monetary system but Ron Paul would have none of it. He is too much of a gold bug.
Bill Still is advocating that the government print money directly, rather than borrow newly printed money from a central bank. However, the money still isn't backed by anything, so you're just changing who's printing the figurative pieces of paper.

What's worse, Bill's plan would involve handing the keys to the printing press over to politicians, who have a strong incentive to print money for political purposes (at least the Fed is only in it to get rich - not to get reelected). I'd be afraid that elected officials would blow up the currency if given control of its printing.

My thought is that the market should decide the best currency. I'd bet that if people were left to their own devices, they would pick gold, silver, or some other metal to trade in (or several). Precious metals are used for more than merely trading (hence have inherent value), but can hold a large amount of wealth in a small volume (a brick of gold could buy you a really nice house).

The only reason that people use dollars is because they are penalized for using other mediums of trade with legal tender laws and capital gains taxes.
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