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I am amazed how naive some posters can be that the ONLY thing stopping some white people from openly discriminating against black people is a law.
Oz, if you don't think there are plenty of white people who would openly discriminate against blacks if it weren't against the law to do so, you are the one who is naive. I'm not saying that all white people are racist. As a white person, I know they're not. In fact, most conservative southern whites (who are stereotypically the most racist) aren't racist. However, there are definitely enough racists to support racist businesses and organizations. I suppose you'd find black owned stores that discriminate against whites in certain areas too.
You know, I have had many examples I use twisted around to suit someone's point, but this is ridiculous! You may think you were being very clever, but trust me, you weren't.
Your perception is off, yet again.
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I was a child then. There was such a thing as the "Civil Rights Movement" at that time, with people protesting in the north and south. Perhaps you saw something about it on youtube. You sure as heck wouldn't have seen it on FOX.
Quit making excuses. Don't frequent the business. Support the competitors. Show some backbone. YOUR answer is to allow the same government to manipulate your life.
The same government that discriminated in the past AND is discriminating today. You probably haven't heard of the discrimination against gays in the military since you're uninformed and think government is taking really really good care of us. But YOU want them to handle things. Funny how some people support a governments use of force on certain segments of society as long as they are on the side of government. How about being on the side of freedom and liberty for a change?
Speaking of Fox watch Judge Napolitano on Fox Business News. Watch and learn something about the Constitution as well as the difference between the role of government and the role of society.
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Quit making excuses. Don't frequent the business. Support the competitors. Show some backbone. YOUR answer is to allow the same government to manipulate your life.
The same government that discriminated in the past AND is discriminating today. You probably haven't heard of the discrimination against gays in the military since you're uninformed and think government is taking really really good care of us. But YOU want them to handle things. Funny how some people support a governments use of force on certain segments of society as long as they are on the side of government. How about being on the side of freedom and liberty for a change?
Speaking of Fox watch Judge Napolitano on Fox Business News. Watch and learn something about the Constitution as well as the difference between the role of government and the role of society. I hope you learn something and quit using force on others to get your agenda through.
Sounds like all you are saying is give Peace a chance?
Oz, if you don't think there are plenty of white people who would openly discriminate against blacks if it weren't against the law to do so, you are the one who is naive. I'm not saying that all white people are racist. As a white person, I know they're not. In fact, most conservative southern whites (who are stereotypically the most racist) aren't racist. However, there are definitely enough racists to support racist businesses and organizations.
Prove any significant business would survive once they are exposed. Otherwise you're blowing smoke.
Especially in this day and age when someone can open up next to them, serve everyone, and drive them out of business.
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I suppose you'd find black owned stores that discriminate against whites in certain areas too.
Moreover, I don't want him to move to the middle for THAT reason. I want to see that he is more flexible and not just someone that will make decisions based on ideology, but more likely to consider the present facts and circumstances. It would help convince me that he had common sense and was not some kind if ideologue. I've had enough of cement-headed ideologues, be they Right or Left.
I really don't think he will get elected, I am just hoping he is able to change the debate about our system.
The difference is his ideology is to give others the freedom to make decisions for their own life, the ideology of every other party is to use force on others. There is a big difference, freedom is an ideology that blossoms, force doesn't.
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I think that is fine as a general principle, but there are times and circumstances which require direct intervention to avoid disaster.
What type of circumstance are you describing?
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5 is one thing, it's the single-issue ideological voters that scare me.
Agreed.
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How would that be accomplished?
Changing our system. 1. Debt free currency. 2. Single tax on privilege 3. Add liability back to corporations and individuals. 4. Removing laws against victim-less actions and have Police go back to being Peace Officers, not Law ENFORCEMENT officers.
How so? Other than repeating the "Ron Paul is nuts" line that you've heard, how is he insane? What policies make him insane?
Bring the troops home, insane?
Stop managing an empire, insane?
Stop the useless war on drugs, that adds to the problems of drug use. Insane?
Institute competition in the school system, insane?
Institute competition in the monetary system, insane?
Get the Feds out of peoples personal business, insane?
Stop the out of control spending, insane?
Freedom, insane?
Did you know Ron Paul has NEVER voted to spend a dime of medicare or medicaid? How many other politicians have done that?
Seems to me that the people who call him insane are attached to the welfare state, and can't imagine life without it.
It makes too much sense, that's why! I absolutely agree with you, but too many in this country are brainwashed by the media, and buy into everything hook line and sinker.
RON PAUL IS NOT AN ISOLATIONIST!!!!!!! Stop saying that if you don't know what the term means. He supports trading with others, conversing with others, etc. Isolationism isn't that. An isolationist doesn't trade, talk, etc with other countries. He is a non-interventionist. Lets be honest, our military intervention throughout the world has brought nothing but problems, for everybody.
Ron Paul is kind of insane, so good choice to not agree with him on everything.
Just once I'd like to hear exactly WHY liberals think Ron Paul is radical and "insane," -- and I don't mean because the liberal media TELLS us this, to ensure the continued power of the ultra-rich who own them (and our politicians). It's so easy to just say "he's crazy," and avoids having to say that you actually support the policies of our government that have created economic crisis (Free Trade, wars, Big Business but not smaller ones, continuing consolidation of wealth).
Ron Paul is the ONLY politician who opposes continuing government EXACTLY as it now exists: spending and borrowing to the point of national bankruptcy and exploding interest payments on the $14.3 trillion dollar debt, Free Trade (that is totally unFAIR to us) that continues to decimate the U.S. job market and manufacturing sector, endless foreign wars and paying to "police the world" so other nations can have economic prosperity, small business being destroyed so Big Business can consolidate all the wealth, etc., etc.
The definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing, but expect different results. Our nation is a shadow of its former greatness, thanks to what we've been doing, and declining fast.
Therefore, by definition, NOT choosing to support Ron Paul is insane--unless you really think American decline and loss of hope for the younger generations is a GOOD thing.
The first hypothetical that comes to mind is a major natural disaster. Governments DO have their uses...
Of course, that is what state and local governments are used for. I don't think the role of the Federal Government is to rebuild a home on the beach that has been destroyed by a hurricane, that is what insurance is for if they offer it, or just don't build on the beach if you can't afford to rebuild.
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