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A common thing I hear from conservatives is that taxation is a form of theft, but those same conservatives make exceptions to that (like law enforcement, military etc) But if taxing is forcibly taking money from one group of people and giving it to another then how can you justify taxes at all--even for the military? To me that's inconsistent. Either taxation is theft or it isn't. Taxation is either right or it is wrong. How do you explain this?
mackinac
As far as I'm concerned if it is military spending to protect OUR OWN borders it is not theft. If it is starting or continiuing/expanding unconstitutional wars or Kinetic/humanitarian bombing (Ugh, talk about oxymorons) it is stealing!
It isn't inconsistent. History proves that taxation is regressive and only leads to bigger government less freedom and lower standards of living. We need to return to a smaller government that leaves small and medium sized businesses alone and forces the Fortune 50 companies to compete with them on a level playing field WITHOUT favorable legislation passed by the federal government to ensure the success of the BIGS like we have now.
There is NO REASON for the Federal Government to be so big and have so many departments. The States are better able to take care of everything the Federal government tries to stick its nose in except for the Military.
The Solution is simple...just like Ron Paul has said for years. We have to DRASTICALLY CUT the out of control spending. NO MORE raising the debt ceiling. The more that is raised, the more expensive food and every day items will cost all of us ya know.... Start reading your Austrian Economics at mises.org to begin to understand how things got so messed up.
No exaggeration: Both the Federal Reserve and 98% of Congress are completely clueless and have been spending us into a bottomless pit! It has GOT to STOP!
Of course not! Liberalism, when examined on a personal level, is nearly insane. However, extrapolate the same ridiculous sentiments to a national level and you have a "rational" political position- amusing and shocking at the same time.
I know, it's crazy to think of someone other than "Me, me me!" all the time. And the fact that they don't have the "I have mine, f*** you." mentality.
Yes, I'm a Libertarian, and my post is generally the Libertarian view of government. Of course supporters are along a spectrum of how far they would go with Libertarian reforms. Since the unified Republicrat Party has pushed America so far in the opposite direction in recent decades, we would need a totally committed Libertarian President working full time for 2 terms to bring our nation to some sort of reasonable balance between the taxpayer and the Special Interests and ultra-rich that now have total power.
Ron Paul is currently the only politician in Washington who would make ANY moves to bring government back under some sort of control, and I hope (though I don't expect) that if he was elected he would push Libertarian reform at the same rapid pace as Obama has pushed our nation into Socialism and bankruptcy. More likely the powers-that-be would threaten him and his family, and have him killed if necessary, if he made more than token attempts at reform.
However, we have to start somewhere, or just accept the coming collapse of the house-of-cards and start over again after a long period of revolution, mass starvation, and violence in the streets.
Gary Johnson would also. He even has a track record of so in so in Arizona as governor.
It might stop being theft if.
They write a budget that cuts out waste, foreign aid and all pork.
If the fed learned to live within its means.
if the elected reps had to share the costs of their benefits like the rest of us.
If it were a flat tax or consumer based tax.
Stopped sending our military to every hot spot and acting like the worlds police force.
enact trade policies that mirror our trading partners.
when its done at the LOCAL level, by LOCAL assemblies REPRESENTING LOCAL issues
I dont mind paying federal taxes..but taxes should be EVEN and EQUAL in rate accross the board.....ie a FLAT RATE (ie 10%) you make 10,000---you pay 1,000.....you make 1,000,000 you pay 100,000..or....a federal comsuption tax..everyoner pays.........................but liberal wont have that because they want UNEQUAL taxation(DISCRIMINATORY) to they can have their boogyman of the "rich"
why do liberals always make themselfs look dumb by bringing up teachers, police and fire, when taking about federaltaxes
Taxes are a result of all governments.
Depending on what type of government you have one that believes in a large role in our economic and personal lives you will have higher and forceable taxes.
A government less interested in controlling your lives and for individual economic liberty will have less taxes and likely no INCOME TAX.
Groups of people see all forms of a oppressive government who use force to obtain tax as theft.
So the question not what the tax should be its what is the proper role of government.
If you like warfare, welfare and the nanny state taxes will always be the destruction of liberty and the health of the state.
It is called user fees. Meaning when you use the service you pay. That is a tax.
"User fees" sounds like the typical Ticketmaster gimmickery. So, how do you apply this idea of "user fees" to sales tax on, say, gasoline, electronics or food?
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Originally Posted by NHartphotog
we should only have to pay for that which is NECESSARY to defend ourselves against foreign aggression. With nuclear weapons, this should cost everyone about $10 a year, maybe $20.
A common thing I hear from conservatives is that taxation is a form of theft, but those same conservatives make exceptions to that (like law enforcement, military etc) But if taxing is forcibly taking money from one group of people and giving it to another then how can you justify taxes at all--even for the military? To me that's inconsistent. Either taxation is theft or it isn't. Taxation is either right or it is wrong. How do you explain this?
mackinac
Taxation isn't theft when you tax consumption, for example.
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