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Old 06-25-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Of course it is, how can we work together to help these teens deal with their issues and understand that they're valuable human beings regardless of what other people think of them?
You work on two fronts. You work with the gay teenagers to help them accept themselves and appreciate who they are. You make sure they know that gays make up anywhere from 5-10% of the population and same sex attraction is within the normal spectrum of sexual behavior.

Teenagers have a overwhelming need to fit in and feel normal. By making homosexuality akin to a mental disorder, we fail to achieve that goal. Officially something is only a mental disorder if its listed in the DSM IV. Homosexuality is not there.

On the second front you work to form a society that is enlightened enough not to ostracize, bully, or make gay teens uncomfortable to begin with.

We didn't say "the problem isn't racism-- it's just that minorities need to learn to deal with racists." I don't know why we should have that expectation with gay teens.


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I agree, people should be aware that these creations of God are to be treated with respect, we should love the person instead of hating the condition that they have no control over.
Yes.

 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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Do you have anything to PROVE what you're saying?

After a quick 1/4 second google search for "Homosexuality a mental disorder?" I found the following article....
Homosexuality and Mental Health

I'll save you the trouble of actually reading the entire thing....

"Some psychologists and psychiatrists still hold negative personal attitudes toward homosexuality. However, empirical evidence and professional norms do not support the idea that homosexuality is a form of mental illness or is inherently linked to psychopathology."


NEXT.
There's plenty evidence out there to back up my statements.

Homosexuality is a Mental Illness | Connect2Mason

At one point in recently history it was widely known that homosexuality was a recognized mental disorder... as recently as the 1970s.

Political pressure has forced a politically correct approach to the subject for many but the facts remain.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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By making homosexuality akin to a mental disorder, we fail to achieve that goal. Officially something is only a mental disorder if its listed in the DSM IV. Homosexuality is not there.
But by ignoring the fact that it was and still is considered a recognized disorder we do a great injustice to those who deal with it daily. If teens were able to read up on the disorder that they live with just like any other disorder they might have it would give them the ability to realize that they indeed are not alone and have company dealing and living with it.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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But by ignoring the fact that it was and still is considered a recognized disorder we do a great injustice to those who deal with it daily. If teens were able to read up on the disorder that they live with just like any other disorder they might have it would give them the ability to realize that they indeed are not alone and have company dealing and living with it.
You have been profoundly misinformed. The results - the death of young people due to your beliefs - is too great to ignore.

"Since the 1970s, the consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions has moved to the belief that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation,"

"In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[3] Consequently, while some still believe homosexuality is a mental disorder, the current research and clinical literature now only demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality, reflecting the official positions of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association."




You are very, very, very wrong. Please correct your misguided views before you have to stand before God and defend such abusive behavior.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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You have been profoundly misinformed. The results - the death of young people due to your beliefs - is too great to ignore.

"Since the 1970s, the consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions has moved to the belief that homosexuality is a normal variation of human sexual orientation,"

"In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[3] Consequently, while some still believe homosexuality is a mental disorder, the current research and clinical literature now only demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality, reflecting the official positions of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association."


You are very, very, very wrong. Please correct your misguided views before you have to stand before God and defend such abusive behavior.

Homosexuality is a Mental Illness | Connect2Mason

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Gay gene proponent Simon LeVay concedes, “Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality.”
Also, the final tally was not impressive. The vote was 5,584 to 3,810 out of about 30,000 APA members, meaning that only about 37 percent of the APA took part in the decision.
In total, only approximately 20 percent of the organization actually said yes to removal, meaning that as much as 80 percent of the APA in 1973 might have opposed removal.
Furthermore, the decision did not fully eradicate psychology’s condemnation of this now acceptable act, as “ego-dystonic homosexuality” remained on the books until the 1980s. Yet, as Dr. David S. Holmes noted, “because of changes in social norms and strong political pressures … homosexuality was not listed as a disorder.”

In other words, not science, but politics, was the chief factor.
Even APA elites condemn that portion of the political intrusion into psychology, with the current APA President Gerald P. Koocher stating at a town hall meeting, “APA has no conflict with psychologists who help those distressed by unwanted homosexual attraction."
I'm not wrong, I'm just aware that politics has had a huge portion in this and we all know how politics works. By ignoring the obvious we do a great disservice to these young men and women who should live completely normal lives, marry, have children and enjoy everything that heterosexuals do on a regular basis. Without addressing the root cause of the disorder there's no way people will ever figure out to eliminate the stigma attached to it. While homosexuality isn't a disease you can easily relate it to something like HIV which at one point was very unknown and had a huge bad stigma attached whereas now it's very commonplace, people understand it and it's widely accepted especially in this country.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:45 AM
 
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Not worth responding to even more hatero comments.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:47 AM
 
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The high teen suicide rate is due to a society of oppression and bigotry, often resulting in physical abuse.

You can try to wipe your hands clean of it, but the blood of death and violence cannot be washed from your hands until you repent for your bigotry against God's creation.
Yes, the disorder lies in those who harass gays for being gay. Inferiority complex? Insecurity? Just plain old douchebaggery? Call it what you want, but those who do so are missing a few cogs in their machine.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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Are you joking? I cite every major association and you cite one guy's opinion piece in some obscure blog from 2008.

No, son. You are wrong. Seriously. Whether talking about humans or animals, the science (not politics) proves that you are profoundly wrong.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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Yes, the disorder lies in those who harass gays for being gay. Inferiority complex? Insecurity? Just plain old douchebaggery? Call it what you want, but those who do so are missing a few cogs in their machine.
Educating the public about the truth behind homosexuality is definitely something that needs to take place, there's no question about that. The first step in education is acceptance of the facts which most people are clueless about. People attack and harass gay teens for things that are completely out of their control, it would be like attacking and harassing someone for being born with a speech impediment.
 
Old 06-25-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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Yes, the disorder lies in those who harass gays for being gay. Inferiority complex? Insecurity? Just plain old douchebaggery? Call it what you want, but those who do so are missing a few cogs in their machine.
I've never understood why people care so much. I'm straight, but know enough gay people to know that they have no agenda. They just are who they are - in many walks of life.

I just have so many more important things to do with my time than attack people for being who they are.
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