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Old 06-25-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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Slim Jim? I don't get it. Anyway, it has nothing to do with being thin skinned; not sure where you got that from. I was simply pointing out your deception.

It sorta rhymed with thin skinned, that's all. No, you were not pointing anything out, you were inferring that I was lying, which I was not. I honestly did not know the answer.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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Why so thin skinned Slim Jim? I never looked it up, so I was curious. I'm actually surprised that the answer is zero, I thought it would be low, but didn't think zero. I figured if it is such a popular thing now adays, then why not put it on a ballot and let the people decide, instead of having legislators push it through? I mean, what are they afraid of?
Sure. I mean, why have the professional body elected by the people to enact laws be the ones enacting laws?
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:39 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Because they (courts and corrupt judges) are full of corruption. We ''the people''....are not that stupid.
New York pushed that wicked bill thru last night....exactly the way Obama and his cronies pushed thru the ''Health Care corrupt bill thru. But it's about to be repealed....and so will the same sex bill....be overturned.

Unfortunately, some ARE. That's a simple fact. In Calif, there are many immigrant communities that are allowed to vote. I don't want someone with a 7th grade education determining if I should have any rights in this country that I was born in.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Sure. I mean, why have the professional body elected by the people to enact laws be the ones enacting laws?

So you must be against ballot initiatives all together then, correct? I mean why have them at all, if elected officials can just "enact laws" as you put it, correct?
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:41 PM
 
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Unfortunately, some ARE. That's a simple fact. In Calif, there are many immigrant communities that are allowed to vote. I don't want someone with a 7th grade education determining if I should have any rights in this country that I was born in.

So............it's wrong to discriminate against gays, but not immigrants or those who have an education less than yours, hmm?
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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How many states have passed same-sex marriage by an election on the ballot?

I honestly don't know the answer and would be curious to find out. Thanks. Why not put it on a ballot and let the people decide?
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:48 PM
 
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The question isn't "how many states have passed gay marriage .....". The question is how many states have taken the civil rights of civil marriage contracts AWAY from gay people and is that constitutional (it's not).
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Old 06-26-2011, 12:14 AM
 
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So you must be against ballot initiatives all together then, correct? I mean why have them at all, if elected officials can just "enact laws" as you put it, correct?
Are you familiar with the debacle that is the California ballot initiative system?

We are a republic. Every state is a republic. The Constitution says almost nothing about the states, but one thing it does guarantee is that all states have republican government --ie, a government comprised of officials elected for the purpose of enacting laws.

I know there's this popular idea that laws should be one or two lines long, like the wording of ballot initiatives. But it's juvenile. In reality, running a country of 310,000,000 people, or even a state of 10,000,000, entails far more complex issues than can be summed up in a trite phrase of this or that such as those appearing on ballots.

How about a corporation that simply polls its employees when making business decisions? Sound like a good plan to you? Maybe a university that polls undergraduates when academic decisions are to be made? Maybe the Navy should poll sailors and see if we need a new class of supercarriers? No. Those are decisions for boards of directors, boards of regents, and the Pentagon. These are groups created to run corporations, universities, and military branches.

And legislatures and executive branches are created to run the government and enact laws and policies.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:02 AM
 
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So............it's wrong to discriminate against gays, but not immigrants or those who have an education less than yours, hmm?
You can't vote on anyone else's rights, that's the bottom line. We shouldn't vote on immigrants' rights or the rights of the uneducated either. Human rights must be protected by the courts.
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:18 AM
 
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Some people obviously don't know how representative government works...
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