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Old 06-28-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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You right wingers with your anti union rhetoric make me think about how one of the things Hitler did was ban all labor unions so he could control the labor force to his whims. Which is what the corporations and business industries would love to have-control over the labor force without having anyone to stand up for tem. All of you anti union spouters are in effect working for the corporations and business industries- you are paving the way for them to have the masses attack the unions for them so they can get rid of all of the benefits, pay scales and other working perks that cost them money. The industries would loveto go back to pre union conditions-we are already seeing so many of these conditions disappearing and all you right wingers just spout your anti union rhetoric. Just wait til your grandchildren are working 60 to 80 hour work weeks with no benefits, they can thank you guys for making the union busting corporations job that much easier.
FDR was against public unions. Does that make him a fascist?
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:51 PM
 
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You lost the moment you mentioned Hitler.
I lost? See that attitude that this is all some kind of game- us vs them -is an attitude that those in control, i.e. corporations and business industries want to stir up in the masses. I mentioned Hitler because he eliminated unions and I see the anti union attitudes as a quasi fascist attitude prevalent in this country among certain crowds-camouflaged as patriotism and economic necessity. Hitler was one of the evil geniuses in history who understood better than anyone how to control the common man through their fears and hatreds, making them turn on those he targeted. I find the republicans have tried to learn from his propoganda game book. They try to stir up the hatred for the sterotypical union crooks, the illegal aliens, the 'lefties' 'socialists' all of their other usual targets. You are all too blinded with your patriotic ferverist dogmas to realize that when you attack unions, cry for tort reform, and all of the other right wing targets you are basically working as shills for the fat cats who run the corporations and who will benefit from eliminating unions. Just look at tort reform, it was supposed to reap great savings for those who use insurance companies-after all the insurance companies were blaming excessive litigation as the reason for their rates going up, but in every state that has enacted tort reforms the insurance rates continue to climb-same with unions- they are balmed for all of the budgetary woes of this country and of states- but just watch-if they are eliminated, the only ones who will reap any benefits are the fat cats in charge.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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You right wingers with your anti union rhetoric make me think about how one of the things Hitler did was ban all labor unions so he could control the labor force to his whims. Which is what the corporations and business industries would love to have-control over the labor force without having anyone to stand up for tem. All of you anti union spouters are in effect working for the corporations and business industries- you are paving the way for them to have the masses attack the unions for them so they can get rid of all of the benefits, pay scales and other working perks that cost them money. The industries would loveto go back to pre union conditions-we are already seeing so many of these conditions disappearing and all you right wingers just spout your anti union rhetoric. Just wait til your grandchildren are working 60 to 80 hour work weeks with no benefits, they can thank you guys for making the union busting corporations job that much easier.
You act as if the majority of the workforce were unionized. Newsflash: the overwhelming majority of the workforce does just fine without paying union dues to line the pockets of the union bosses.

Us, "anti-union" types wouldn't care so much about the unions if we weren't forced to pay for the excessive benefits of their members. Why should I fund the retirement of some public union employee far in excess of what private sector employees receive? And don't try to hand me that BS that public sector workers earn less than private sector counterparts.
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Among just private-sector workers, total average compensation was $28.10, compared to $40.54 for state and local government workers. Yes, benefits are a sizable part of the difference: Private sector workers average $8.25 an hour in benefits while state and local government employees average $13.99 an hour in benefits. But much of the gap is from straight-up wages and salary: $19.85 for the private sector and $26.55 for public workers.
So, not only do they earn more per hour, they also get far better benefits paid for compliments of the taxpayer. If you don't want to hear us "anti-union" types complain, then fund your own benefits and quit stealing from the private sector taxpayers.
New Data Shows What Americans Really Make - For What It's Worth - Comcast.net
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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FDR was against public unions. Does that make him a fascist?

This is not a public union. First Student is part of First Group, a huge British transport firm (they also own Greyhound) that transports students under contract to public school systems in the US and Canada.


I got bored after I retired and took a job driving a school bus for a large (1500 buses and 177,000 students) public school system in Virginia. We are a publicly run operation, not contracted. No unions here but we have to pay pretty well ($17-30 an hour + full bennies) to get enough qualified drivers to run our buses. Potential drivers must have: 1) a clean driving record, 2) pass a criminal background check, 3) pass a drug test, and 4) pass a physical. Probably 80% of applicants are rejected for failing one or more of these requirements....and often only about half of the remaining applicants make it through training. I'm not kidding!

They call us "part time" too...which is not entirely accurate. In the 10 years I've been driving bus, I've only worked LESS than 40 hours in a week a handful of times....my "record" is 67 hours in one week! Our buses roll all day and part of the night what with normal AM/PM runs, midday runs and shuttles, and field/athletic trips. Summer is somewhat slower, but we still do thousands of Parks Dept trips and summer school. The good part is the hours are not mandatory...if a driver wants to work less, that's OK.

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Old 06-28-2011, 07:42 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Harding busted the public & private unions back down to size and put them in their place.
The roaring 20's ensued.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:34 PM
 
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You right wingers with your anti union rhetoric make me think about how one of the things Hitler did was ban all labor unions so he could control the labor force to his whims. Which is what the corporations and business industries would love to have-control over the labor force without having anyone to stand up for tem. All of you anti union spouters are in effect working for the corporations and business industries- you are paving the way for them to have the masses attack the unions for them so they can get rid of all of the benefits, pay scales and other working perks that cost them money. The industries would loveto go back to pre union conditions-we are already seeing so many of these conditions disappearing and all you right wingers just spout your anti union rhetoric. Just wait til your grandchildren are working 60 to 80 hour work weeks with no benefits, they can thank you guys for making the union busting corporations job that much easier.
All that typing and all you had say was "You who don't like unions are NAZIs".
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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The conservatives' white hot hatred for union people simply astounds me. Unions are far from perfect, but the hatred is total overkill.

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Harding busted the public & private unions back down to size and put them in their place.
The roaring 20's ensued.
And what followed the roaring twenties, BentBow?
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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Here's the difference: when those millionaires are threatened with a loss of revenue, they don't leave disabled children to fend for themselves.
These kids don't have parents???they are incapable of taking their own children to school for a few days.........
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:12 AM
 
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The conservatives' white hot hatred for union people simply astounds me. Unions are far from perfect, but the hatred is total overkill.
Your hyperbolic post was overkill.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Right wing thugs get all bent out of shape when a bus driver earns a salary that can support a family in the one of the USA's most expensive cities.

But watch them cry and moan if anybody dares suggest that the tax rates on the ultra rich get raised a few basis points to help pay down the deficit.

They worship corporations and the rich, and hate working class Americans. You see this over and over in their rhetoric.


Wouldn't be so expensive if we didn't pay flunkies $100k/yr.

And we already talked about those tax hikes.

You can raise taxes on millionaires.

Give us two dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases and you've got a deal.
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