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Regardless of what you consider to be "obvious," empirical research demonstrates that immigrant women and Mexican immigrants are not primarily motivated by abuse of social welfare provisions.
Another example from the literature is Explaining Mexican-Immigrant Welfare Behaviors: The Importance of Employment-Related Cultural Repertoires: "Social scientists generally seek to explain welfare-related behaviors in terms of economic, social structural, or culture of poverty theories. Such explanations, however, do not account for nativity differences in public assistance receipt among immigrants of Mexican origin. This article draws on the sociology of migration and culture literatures to develop a materialist-based cultural repertoire account and attendant hypotheses to explain the welfare behaviors of Mexican immigrants. We argue that such immigrants arrive and work in the United States under circumstances that foster employment-based cultural repertoires that, compared with natives and other immigrant groups, encourage less welfare participation (in part because such repertoires lead to faster welfare exits) and more postwelfare employment. This is particularly true in states with relatively more generous welfare policies. Using individual-level data predating the Welfare Reform Act, from multiple panels of the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) merged with state-level information on welfare benefit levels, we examine immigrant-group differences in welfare receipt, retention, and transition to employment across locales with varying levels of welfare benefits. Findings are largely consistent with our cultural repertoire account: Mexican immigrants tend to utilize welfare not primarily to avoid work, cope with disadvantage, or perpetuate a culture of dependency, but rather to minimize the effects of employment discontinuities. Such findings carry important theoretical and policy implications-implications we outline in our conclusion."
Ho-hum you refuse to address my statment about human nature, ignore it but it is still a fact. Leeches are not all of the Baby Momma on the dole, huge percentage though. Pop one out.......well, raise it on your own dime.
Regardless of what you consider to be "obvious," empirical research demonstrates that immigrant women and Mexican immigrants are not primarily motivated by abuse of social welfare provisions.
Another example from the literature is Explaining Mexican-Immigrant Welfare Behaviors: The Importance of Employment-Related Cultural Repertoires: "Social scientists generally seek to explain welfare-related behaviors in terms of economic, social structural, or culture of poverty theories. Such explanations, however, do not account for nativity differences in public assistance receipt among immigrants of Mexican origin. This article draws on the sociology of migration and culture literatures to develop a materialist-based cultural repertoire account and attendant hypotheses to explain the welfare behaviors of Mexican immigrants. We argue that such immigrants arrive and work in the United States under circumstances that foster employment-based cultural repertoires that, compared with natives and other immigrant groups, encourage less welfare participation (in part because such repertoires lead to faster welfare exits) and more postwelfare employment. This is particularly true in states with relatively more generous welfare policies. Using individual-level data predating the Welfare Reform Act, from multiple panels of the Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) merged with state-level information on welfare benefit levels, we examine immigrant-group differences in welfare receipt, retention, and transition to employment across locales with varying levels of welfare benefits. Findings are largely consistent with our cultural repertoire account: Mexican immigrants tend to utilize welfare not primarily to avoid work, cope with disadvantage, or perpetuate a culture of dependency, but rather to minimize the effects of employment discontinuities. Such findings carry important theoretical and policy implications-implications we outline in our conclusion."
Here where I live (border state), preference is given to those who speak Spanish in hiring.
I volunteered for three years at a food bank. It was great for my Spanish. However, it got to the point where I got sick of seeing these women whip out 4,5,6 Medicaid cards for their kids, while I pay $575 a month for health insurance. Ultimately, I just stopped volunteering.
There should be a one baby limit with the CLEAR understanding that any children that follow, born on US soil, will have NO benefits and that the family will be deported if they are not here legally. And it should be in writing. If they need to hire interpreters for this work, great.
I volunteered for three years at a food bank. It was great for my Spanish. However, it got to the point where I got sick of seeing these women whip out 4,5,6 Medicaid cards for their kids, while I pay $575 a month for health insurance. Ultimately, I just stopped volunteering.
Anecdotal evidence is not sufficient to form inferences about large-scale policies, especially anecdotal evidence that contradicts the empirical findings derived from large data sets, which are themselves large numbers of anecdotal experiences.
Here where I live (border state), preference is given to those who speak Spanish in hiring.
I volunteered for three years at a food bank. It was great for my Spanish. However, it got to the point where I got sick of seeing these women whip out 4,5,6 Medicaid cards for their kids, while I pay $575 a month for health insurance. Ultimately, I just stopped volunteering.
There should be a one baby limit with the CLEAR understanding that any children that follow, born on US soil, will have NO benefits and that the family will be deported if they are not here legally. And it should be in writing. If they need to hire interpreters for this work, great.
I agree. I personally wish that it would be a "one baby limit" or some sort limit for anyone that gets medicaid or food stamps. They need to be told once they get on it, that they have up until this "time period" to find a job, etc, etc. And that if they have MORE than "1" kid that they'll are immediately disqualified. This would work across all groups that are taking advantage of these programs. As I said earlier in this thread, I have friend on her 4th pregnancy, that is on medicaid, receives $600.00 a month in food(and that's just with her three kids) and got her electricity and utilities paid for during the winter. It is clear that she CANNOT afford 4 kids without the government. There just needs to be guidelines.
I believe everyone needs help. That some people start off at "lower points" or need to be lifted by the boot-straps(and that these sort of programs help). I realize that people hit low points. Go through issues. Lose jobs. What have you. The kids should not suffer. However, the government has GOT to do something different. There needs to be more guidelines in place.
I personally don't believe that government benefits are anything special. Matter of fact I believe they are typically the minimum quality of care, and are very subpar. But there are millions of people that don't have ANY sort of care, that are making responsible decisions, and yet the ones that are being irresponsible are the ones getting the "benefits". I think people wouldn't be so bitter, and so angry about this, if irresponsibility wasn't rewarded.
I agree. I personally wish that it would be a "one baby limit" or some sort limit for anyone that gets medicaid or food stamps. They need to be told once they get on it, that they have up until this "time period" to find a job, etc, etc. And that if they have MORE than "1" kid that they'll are immediately disqualified. This would work across all groups that are taking advantage of these programs. As I said earlier in this thread, I have friend on her 4th pregnancy, that is on medicaid, receives $600.00 a month in food(and that's just with her three kids) and got her electricity and utilities paid for during the winter. It is clear that she CANNOT afford 4 kids without the government. There just needs to be guidelines.
I believe everyone needs help. That some people start off at "lower points" or need to be lifted by the boot-straps(and that these sort of programs help). I realize that people hit low points. Go through issues. Lose jobs. What have you. The kids should not suffer. However, the government has GOT to do something different. There needs to be more guidelines in place.
I personally don't believe that government benefits are anything special. Matter of fact I believe they are typically the minimum quality of care, and are very subpar. But there are millions of people that don't have ANY sort of care, that are making responsible decisions, and yet the ones that are being irresponsible are the ones getting the "benefits". I think people wouldn't be so bitter, and so angry about this, if irresponsibility wasn't rewarded.
Yes, I'll go along with that. I was speaking more of those who are here illegally that get the help. At the food bank we did not ask if people were here legally or not. You are right, it's not the children's fault, but still. I remember one woman (not Latina) who had 10 kids with the Medicaid cards. Of course, many of the children all had different last names.
I always thought, was raised to believe, that if I could not take care of a child on my own I should not have one. Well, I don't have any. Now I almost feel like the dummy given the system.
Our welfare system is part of the problem. I went to high school in northern Utah (in a suburb of Salt Lake City) in a middle class neighborhood and went to a school that was mostly white and Latino.
Quite a few of my peers had babies by graduation. Quite a few of them would talk about how they had kids to get out of going to college and having to work, as though government assistance is the ticket to a good life. And, well, it does look like a ticket to the good life: if you have a kid under 18 and live in Utah, they pay for the childcare if/when you decide to go to college, you get food stamps, CHIP, Medicaid, cash allowances, welfare, WIC, you name it. And this is Utah, a very conservative state. You pay less in taxes because you have a kid, and the state will give you more scholarships because you have a kid. It is worse here in California.
One of my brother's friends got married and the state of Utah ignored her and her husband because they had no kids. So they decided to get pregnant. The state of Utah paid for the birth, and now gives them tons of social services. My brother and his friends that did not have kids were furious, because this friend was buying role playing gaming stuff on the taxpayer's dime. And the state of Utah was so happy to pay for all this, likewise for the fed.
My cousins who, like me, are in their twenties, report the same kinds of problems in Iowa and Illinois.
Most of my peers who elected to have kids out of wedlock are doing better than those of us who were more responsible. The state pays for everything; quite a few don't have jobs and don't have to work. Those of us who didn't go that route have had to deal more with the economy.
Many of my friends and I have a bitter disdain for those who have kids out of wedlock and are on welfare, because so many of them will tell you they had the kid to get out of being an adult. Or they knew that if they accidentally got knocked up, that the state would care for them.
I think the teen pregnancy problem for Latinas is probably partly cultural, but it is definitely made worse by America's welfare system.
As a single adult with no kids, the state doesn't want to help me when my luck is down and I'm not working. But if I got knocked up tomorrow, the state of California would take care of me from then on, and, apparently well enough to where I can buy whatever I want.
Don't think our welfare system isn't part of the problem. It is.
Pretty much the same in NM. I think, regardless of what state (in most cases) the young mother on welfare, especially if living at home, is getting a pretty sweet deal.
But you are refering to Mexicans. Latinas is not a nationality nor a culture.
I do not think Mexicans illegally travel to the US to take advantage of welfare, since there is no welfare/safety net in the USA. There is no universal healthcare, and there are no social programs such as subsidized housing similar to those in England. The USA is not Europe/Canada/Australia. The USA does not have social programs/welfare. Plz... Any intelligent person knows that. In the US the word "Socialism" is perceived as a "Sin" linked to the Soviet Union, Communism, which is stupid, because Socialism is the best system used by Europe, Canada, Australia, and many developing countries.
Mexicans illegaly relocate to the US to just work, and get higher wages than those in Mexico. There is no such thing as US welfare for Mexican Illegal immigrants. Even Mexicans in Mexico have Universal healthcare. Illegal people cannot get welfare in the USA, since they would need a Social Security Number and U.S. Citizenship. Even legal green card holders cannot apply for Welfare, because a requirement they must meet in order to qualify to apply for US citizenship via naturalization is to have a record that shows they never requested any type of walfare. Green card holders cannot apply for welfare because that basically voids their possibility to become US nationals.
I still do not know why the Social Security Number Card has the word "Social" in it. In the U.S, "Socialism" is wrong/Sin, that is what Fox News and Bill O'Really tell you everyday 24/7. A social security system that does not have social healthcare (the most important element of a social system) what a joke. I do not see where is the "Security" provided by that system. You pay the same taxes that Canadians pay but those tax dollars are used to finance the huge army, while other countries use it in a Social system that does provide security and a Safety net.
So do not talk about U.S. Welfare because it is non-existent. (compared to other countries)
When you refer to Mexicans you use the word Latin, and that word involves many people, the majority of the American continent speaks a Latin language, even the continent is named in a Latin word (America), and also many European countries are Latin, starting in Latium, Italia, the region where Roma is located. Latin/o/a is not a race nor culture.
If you want to talk about illegal Mexicans just say Mexicans. Every American country has different Culture and Demographics. Mexico and the USA have stronger links compared to those links (if any) of Mexico and other American countries.
Mexicans speak a Latin Language but that does not mean that Spanish/Portuguese/French speaking American countries have the same Mexican culture. Even Bahamians speak English and people are not uneducated to say that U.S. nationals and Bahamians share the same culture.
Your posts always carry a negative tone towards Mexicans. I really do not care about your feelings towards illegals, but I think you should show some degree of intelligence and stop using that Latin term because it sounds quite ignorant when people like you use the latin term in so many negative posts.
Mexico and the US share part of its history and genetics. You should get the fact that Mexico has a lot less to do with other American (Latin) countries (compared to the U.S.).
Also, the USA is a union of former colonies of England, Spain, and France. The USA is partially "Latin" as well.
You should post a link that leads to a trustworthy source that says that illegal Mexican teens have more babies than any other nationality in the US. Otherwise, your posts lack of credibility and are simply BS material of your obvious agenda.
And Mexico has a GDP per capita higher than many eastern European countries. Their economy is strong and growing.
OMG, where is your head, in the sand? Of course they travel to America for benefits: do you have any idea how many illegals receive medical care and food stamps? Do you know the kids get free dental check-ups and treatments? Do you know anything about the housing situation? They have all the above. As for Europe, whether they offer more or less isn't the point: how would you expect a Mexican to get to Europe and Canada. You obviously do not know how tight they control their borders, unlike America. I have my doubts if you even live in America after reading some of your statements.
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