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Old 06-28-2011, 05:35 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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yes I did.

I went from conservative to Libertarian. I finally realized that the republican party was just as bad as the democrat party and that both wanted nothing more than more goverment. Also I realized that the politicians did not really care about the people they were supposed to be serving, they just cared about their power and their lust for more power.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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I was somewhat of a lib.

When I was ****ing 12.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Nice try but Clinton reduced the deficit and also reduced the national debt. The facts are very clear on this - Bush 43 inherited the Clinton surplus and decided this money was "our" money and he proceeded to cut taxes disproportionately towards the wealthy. If that wasn't enough, Bush then decided to wage 2 wars all the while keep tax rates on the wealthy at historic low rates.
If anyone were to change their political philosophy it would have been conservatives who witnessed a very un-conservative President Bush and Republican Congress spend our money like drunken sailors - I guess that's what started the Tea Party.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:48 PM
 
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I dont belive in having one political philosophy, mines is a mixed one that is ever changing depending on the circumastances. Bush's incompetence, the republicans embrace of ignorance and the democrats lack of courage and strength make me an independent i guess.
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:50 PM
 
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I was a big fan of Bill Clinton...until he got into office and started to "govern".

So my philosophy changed.

Quite apropos I believe to the title and the topic.
Yea, sure you were a fan of Bill Clinton.

I mean, what would his misconduct have to do with your basic political philosophy? I didn't like his behavior either, but i sure as hell don't see what that has to do with being a Democrat. What, Repubs aren't unfaithful and aren't into crony capitalism?

Anyway, yes, i changed my philosophy. I used to be a Democrat. I joined the Army, and fell for all the government bullsh*t. Yea, i believed in all that crap about watching the Iron Curtain and how we needed to stop communism from spreading. I believed in the Reagan Military buildup (for two seconds), and all of the other garbage that went along with being a run-of-the-mill Democrat back in the 80's.

Then i discovered actual liberalism and smartened up.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:07 PM
 
Location: North America
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Yea, sure you were a fan of Bill Clinton.

I mean, what would his misconduct have to do with your basic political philosophy? I didn't like his behavior either, but i sure as hell don't see what that has to do with being a Democrat. What, Repubs aren't unfaithful and aren't into crony capitalism?

Anyway, yes, i changed my philosophy. I used to be a Democrat. I joined the Army, and fell for all the government bullsh*t. Yea, i believed in all that crap about watching the Iron Curtain and how we needed to stop communism from spreading. I believed in the Reagan Military buildup (for two seconds), and all of the other garbage that went along with being a run-of-the-mill Democrat back in the 80's.

Then i discovered actual liberalism and smartened up.
Funny how in other threads you go on and on about who does and doesn't know black people based on your fantasy assumptions even though you have never met the people you judge but here you are positive that I never supported Bill Clinton...even though we have never met.

I guess pretending to know stranger's backgrounds is just an aspect of liberalism.

Another aspect of liberalism, it seems, is watching a man s*** all over his own family but somehow expect that man to care about you and your concerns.

Kinda like those liberals who came out screaming support for Anthony Weiner even after he admitted lying to their faces for a solid week all over the TV.

Liberals...gluttons for punishment.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: North America
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Nice try but Clinton reduced the deficit and also reduced the national debt. The facts are very clear on this - Bush 43 inherited the Clinton surplus and decided this money was "our" money and he proceeded to cut taxes disproportionately towards the wealthy. If that wasn't enough, Bush then decided to wage 2 wars all the while keep tax rates on the wealthy at historic low rates.
If anyone were to change their political philosophy it would have been conservatives who witnessed a very un-conservative President Bush and Republican Congress spend our money like drunken sailors - I guess that's what started the Tea Party.
Way to address the topic there, sparky.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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I was a staunch conservative. I bought all of the rhetoric about having to fight overseas wars, about defending the "institution of marriage", about fighting the war on drugs... anybody who thought otherwise was a pinko-commie. I joined the military and was about as much of a red-blooded American as you've ever met. Eventually, I questioned why I believed in these things and I came to the realization that I believed what I was told to believe. After a bit of self-reflection, reading some history, absorbing a bit of classical literature, and investigating a bit of philosophy I arrived at libertarianism.

Looking at the history of the world, I've found countless examples of people living in grinding poverty while governments lived in opulent wealth from the fruits of their labor. I've also noted that when people are free to own property, express ideas, and rule themselves, prosperity has flourished. When allotted the opportunity, people have amazing creativity and surprising generosity.

As people, we tend to pursue our own self-interest, and if there is limited opportunity to steal from, defraud, harm, or enslave others (i.e. a system of justice), the pursuit of self interest brings about voluntary, self-regulating mutually beneficial relationships with others. Through relationships with others, great wealth can be generated: Both society & technology advance as people strive for better ways to serve one-another for the purpose of improving their own lot in life.

I still believe that I'm a red-blooded American, but I think that I have a different understanding of what that means. During the Revolutionary War, Americans fought for freedom from government - every man a king. I see the freedom that they won being slowly whittled away and I think that it's my job as an American to do what I can to (peacefully) stop that from happening. To me, the idea of personal liberty is something bigger than any one of us, but that benefits all of us. We should be righteously indignant towards those who suggest that we cannot rule our own lives and make our own decisions. In my opinion, that righteous indignation is solidly libertarian.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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OP Trollin hard.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Harrison, OH
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I've continued to move towards a libertarian standpoint. I used to be against gay marriage, but realized about 2 years ago that opposing it so strongly was pointless. You can pass any law or legislation you want, but at the end of the day that person will still gay, lesbian, bi.

I've gone more towards the right on fiscal matters, especially defense stuff. I've come the realization that being for defense cuts does NOT make me anti-American, it means I want fiscal responsibility.
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