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View Poll Results: Should it be removed?
Yes 85 44.04%
No 108 55.96%
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Should that particular slogan be removed from the US Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
I am not religous by any means but the presence of this statement does not bother me.

[I'm also okay with "In God We Trust"]
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Sure.

The original pledge didn't have those words. Why was there a need to add them? Oh, that's right, because of the "godless" Communists that everyone was scared to death of in the 1950s.

Honestly, if so many of you can't wait to die and meet Jesus, why are you so scared of death? Why would you be scared of the "godless" Communists killing everyone with a nuclear bomb in the 1950s? Don't you have to die to go to Heaven? You should have welcomed a nuclear war. I mean, if paradise comes after death, why would you want to stay on Earth?
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:15 PM
 
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I managed to complete a couple tours in Vietnam and a career in the Army without Pledging Allegiance or muttering any other magic words.
What!? You didn't say the Pledge!!

And you call yourself patriotic!??








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Old 06-30-2011, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I was a seven year old public school student when they changed the Pledge. In addition to the Pledge, we also read Bible verses every morning. It didn't make me a Christian, and I certainly did not feel oppressed by the beautiful poetry of the King James Bible, composed as it was during the age of Shakespeare and reflective of the graceful language of the Elizabethans.

I'm still not a Christian, but the Pledge didn't bother me then and it doesn't bother me now. They are only words, after all, and no one is forced to say them, regardless what the drama queens in this thread may claim.

Some people find the words inspiring. That's enough to make the Pledge worthwhile and keep it as it is. After all, there are few things left in our culture which are both legal and inspiring, don't you think?

The idea of a people divinely endowed with life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness may not be literally true, but it remains one heck of a metaphor -- and certainly superior to many other politico-religious orthodoxies at work in the world...

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Old 06-30-2011, 07:54 PM
 
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All that we have is from God.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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All that we have is from God.
Which one?
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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A question for American Christians, how is the insistance of placing "One Nation Under God" any different from the script on the flags of many nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia and even Iraq which says "God is Great"?
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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All that we have is from God.
Oh?, ya mean like war, torture, disease, oppresion, inequality, disasters, incest, rape, sexual slavery, greed, lust, .......nice guy
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Yes. It wasn't part of the original pledge, and why is it THEIR god? Why not the Buddhist gods, or the muslim god? And how about us atheists?

e: I mean it doesn't bug me, I can't recall the last time I had to say it, but if we're gonna force kids to say it in schools like a bunch of indoctrinated drones then we should at least respect the fact that not everyone believes in the Abrahamic god.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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I hope they keep it. I like the looks I get when I leave that part out of my pledge. lol.
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