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Old 06-30-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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I hear a lot of people talk about election fraud from both sides of the isle and it's always interesting to see how most of the time people are only concerned about election suspected election fraud if it could potentially hurt their candidate. When you bring up election fraud that could intentionally help their candidate they quickly dismiss anything you have to say.

I think most reasonable people would agree that election fraud of any kind is wrong so why do some people selectively ignore certain instances or types of election fraud. For example, a large percentage of people on the left are convinces that GWB stole at least one, possibly 2 elections by use of fraud and corruption... there's no doubt in their minds and a lot of fingers get pointed at electronic voting machines. The left attacks the manufacturer of these machines and accuses them of fraud in just about every election where the left leaning candidate loses or even when they don't win by as large of a margin as they would like. At the same time those on the right are convinced that illegal aliens and groups like ACORN have deep roots in election fraud. They push legislation for photo ID requirements for voters and and anything that would lesson the chance of election fraud.

Both groups are 100% convinced that their opponents are guilty and they look past their own group. Why can't both groups come together on such a subject and agree to work towards eliminating any chance of voter fraud? Is there some magical way to show those on the right that requiring a photo ID might make things difficult for those without an ID and that any such legislation must include some provision for those who have no photo ID and can't afford one. Is there a way to convince the left that it's irrational to cry about electronic voter machines not keeping a paper trail for later review while fighting to stop people from being asked for ID to vote?

We have millions of ATMs all over the world that protect billions of dollars in cash with virtually no mistakes but we can't create an electronic voting machine that we can trust?
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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Election fraud no matter the source needs to be eliminated.


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We have millions of ATMs all over the world that protect billions of dollars in cash with virtually no mistakes but we can't create an electronic voting machine that we can trust?
This is one task that needs to be accomplished by the government in house. We need a standardized nationwide electronic balloting machine using open source hardware/software that is extensively tested for many years that produces a paper trail.
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Old 06-30-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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Election fraud no matter the source needs to be eliminated.




This is one task that needs to be accomplished by the government in house. We need a standardized nationwide electronic balloting machine using open source hardware/software that is extensively tested for many years that produces a paper trail.
Do you think people would trust a system like that?
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Whatever works to stop voting fraud including sending the election fraudsters to prison for double digit years. That includes bogus registration, too. Also, chilling are the courts that overturn votes of the people.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:03 AM
 
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Voter fraud on all levels should be stopped. It is an honorable right to vote in our country and it should be respected.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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Having been the victim of, and a co-plaintiff in a federal court case dealing with it, election fraud I support any and all efforts to root it out.


A note for some of the resident liberal whiners: campaign tactics and ads are not election fraud. Pointing out your opponent's record is not fraud not matter how it's spun as one example. Demanding accountability for ethics is not fraud, either.
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:00 AM
 
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Do you think people would trust a system like that?
Open source hardware and software could be scrutinized by anyone, if there is security implications it will be found out quickly. The possibility exists someone could find vulnerability that goes undetected but that is unlikely when you have such a large mass of people looking for them.

With the addtion of the paper trail it would be hard to beat, you'd have for example a duplicated receipt issued to the voter with the original inside the machine.
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Open source hardware and software could be scrutinized by anyone, if there is security implications it will be found out quickly. The possibility exists someone could find vulnerability that goes undetected but that is unlikely when you have such a large mass of people looking for them.

With the addtion of the paper trail it would be hard to beat, you'd have for example a duplicated receipt issued to the voter with the original inside the machine.
But wouldn't that in turn open the system up to someone hacking it and doing exactly what we want to prevent?
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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But wouldn't that in turn open the system up to someone hacking it and doing exactly what we want to prevent?
Yes but again you'd have numerous security experts that could audit it.

With the paper trail if it does get hacked it would be found out fast.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:15 AM
 
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an id requirement is a fraud
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