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Old 07-02-2011, 02:19 AM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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Interesting...so if a defense attorney can prove that the woman was planning on aborting her baby, it would only be ONE murder...?

This doesn't sound like justice.
Justice is not a perfect system. But would be hard to prove intent like that and it is doubtful the jury would go for it. Tough luck for the criminal!
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:59 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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But what if you went by the 28 week benchmark (which varies between doctors, as I mentioned), and the fetus was murdered at 24 weeks, what do you call that? Is it "murder" or not? Babies have been known to survive as early as 23 weeks. Who's to say a 20 week fetus would not also be able to survive? It depends on the baby. That's why I your whole argument is just stupid.
Society has to draw the line somewhere.....it is done all the time.

28 weeks is a good cut off point, as that is a point where most of the fetuses could survive outside of the mother.
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I don't need to justify my thought process on the basis of religion. That's where you're going wrong, it's really not that hard a concept to grasp. And I'm not Catholic either way, so it's a moot point.

I don't care what you want to say about the embryos at this point, it has no bearing on my argument, so you're just going around in circles.

If we were able to remove "unwanted" fetuses and transfer them to someone else instead, or "save them for later in a freezer," I would have NO problem with that.

I did not say ONLY the religious hold those beliefs.

I am willing to bet that most pro-lifers would have a problem with freezing fetuses knowing full well that the vast majority would never be brought to term.

Just because my points do not fit YOUR personal argument, does not mean they are not valid.

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Old 07-02-2011, 04:13 AM
 
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I recently heard of a man going to prison for the death of a woman AND her "unborn child". Why is the death of an unborn child considered a death when someone other than the mother kills the baby but not if the mother kills the baby through abortion? The unborn child is either alive or it is not. It must be a great life for libs, where they can have contradictory views and not have them conflict!

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Been asking this question for years.....
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Old 07-02-2011, 04:25 AM
 
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I recently heard of a man going to prison for the death of a woman AND her "unborn child". Why is the death of an unborn child considered a death when someone other than the mother kills the baby but not if the mother kills the baby through abortion? The unborn child is either alive or it is not. It must be a great life for libs, where they can have contradictory views and not have them conflict!

Charles Sands
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And in what way is this liberals' fault?
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Old 07-02-2011, 04:30 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Justice is not a perfect system. But would be hard to prove intent like that and it is doubtful the jury would go for it. Tough luck for the criminal!
No one is more anti-criminal than I am, but I like a little logic and consistency in my justice.
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Old 07-02-2011, 05:56 AM
 
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Well, isn't that the reason why anti-choice groups push for these laws - to weaken a woman's righ to choose?
Nice try at spin, not as effective as you'd like, I'm sure.
The anti-choice/anti-woman crowd tries everything in its power to destroy the rights of women provided by Roe v Wade.
The pro-abortion crowd has had 17 years to repeal the federal unborn victims of violence act. Got nowhere. There must be a lot of 'anti-choice/anti-woman' Dems, Repubs, and Indies out here to stop the far-left from repealing the law.

Btw, feticide laws don't weaken a women's right to choose. Rather, they strenghten choice, by punishing people who take away the woman's choice to 'terminate.'
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:48 AM
 
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Huh? I made no faulty assumptions, thanks.
You did, if you think this is contradictory.

Read page six (i believe), where I answered the OPs question quite thoroughly.

The original question is based on a faulty premise.

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Been asking this question for years.....
It's been answered in this thread.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You know the point, you just don't want to admit it. You also see the difference between a 10 week fetus and a 10 minute old baby so why you want to act like you don't is beyond me and weakens your position.
There is an actual difference between a 10 week old fetus and a ten minute old baby, but that difference is meaningless. Make it simple instead of complicated: human life has value no matter what stage of development it's in. Ultimately it's a matter of how selfish you are versus how much human life means to you.
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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You know the point, you just don't want to admit it. You also see the difference between a 10 week fetus and a 10 minute old baby so why you want to act like you don't is beyond me and weakens your position.


You, like every other abortion advocate, need to purge your guilty conscience. To do this you attempt to assign human life relative value such that the rights of the superior human could nullify those of the lesser. The problem with that sort of rationalizing is that the value of innocent human life is absolute.
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