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Old 07-02-2011, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I think the playing fields are now the same. Whether or not they're level is a matter of perception.
If you are an undereducated/poor white the playing field has been reversed.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:37 AM
 
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What are your thoughts on Equality and whether the so called playing has been leveled between whites and blacks.


Do you think that blacks NO LONGER face discrimination?

Do you think blacks are well represented in all work industries and receive just as many promotions as whites?

Do you think blacks are very visable in high ranking postions of authority?



Give facts if you can.
Fact Prime.

When you say your are leveling the PLAYING FIELD, what you really mean is tilting the plaiying field until you have LEVELED THE SCOREBOARD.

Outcome and Opportunity are not the same thing.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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As long as minorities continue to be condemned to a woefully inadequate public-school education because the Democrats have prioritized keeping teachers employed as oposed to having their competency challenged annually via exams, the answer is unequivocally no.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Somewhere or another I wrote a scenario concerning an Asian-American dentist who remained a member of an Asian culture rather than be a complete member of the mainstream culture. He applied for a job as a dentist at large, suburban dental clinic. He had the same basic resume as a white dentist applying for the job who was a member of the mainstream culture. So who got hired? Well, the white dentist got hired because as a member of the mainstream culture, he was better suited to interact with the clientele who are mostly members of the mainstream culture. Simply put, he was a better fit.

In the example the Asian-American dentist does not have to be Asian. He can be black and a lifelong American. Yet he can be a member of black culture more so than a member of the mostly white mainstream culture. In other words, his comfort zone may be in black culture, and yes, it would show. Consequently, he is often not the first choice in areas of public interaction such as sales reps, or, at times, dentists. The scenario might be an example of a kind of passive racism. But whose racism? In a way, eveybody's.

So the answer to your question is no, the playing field is not level. But the fix may be more complicated than just addressing ordinary racial discrimination.
As a health professional, I find this hiring decision shocking. Health care is one area where there are many people from diverse cultures. It is not at all unsual to go to any type of office and see doctors from many different countries, some of whom barely speak English. This "better fit" excuse is racist.
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Here
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As a health professional, I find this hiring decision shocking. Health care is one area where there are many people from diverse cultures. It is not at all unsual to go to any type of office and see doctors from many different countries, some of whom barely speak English. This "better fit" excuse is racist.
Well, if I were a dentist who owned a large, multi-dentist practice, I'd hire the dentist that would be most likely to attract and keep customers. It is a business, after all. The first criteria would be good dentistry. The second criteria would be a rapport with the clientele. That means I'm hiring the dentist who "best fits" my prospective customers. And if it's a suburban dental practice, that probably means a dentist who is centered in the mainstream culture, who can easily communicate with would-be patients and understands the nuances of the culture.

Race is not necessarily a part of it. The prospective dentist could be from Norway. If he is of a different culture then he is at a disadvantage as far as interacting with customers. And in business, that's part of the equation.
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Old 07-02-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Well, if I were a dentist who owned a large, multi-dentist practice, I'd hire the dentist that would be most likely to attract and keep customers. It is a business, after all. The first criteria would be good dentistry. The second criteria would be a rapport with the clientele. That means I'm hiring the dentist who "best fits" my prospective customers. And if it's a suburban dental practice, that probably means a dentist who is centered in the mainstream culture, who can easily communicate with would-be patients and understands the nuances of the culture.

Race is not necessarily a part of it. The prospective dentist could be from Norway. If he is of a different culture then he is at a disadvantage as far as interacting with customers. And in business, that's part of the equation.
If the dentist could prove s/he was turned down for this reason, s/he could sue the pants off the owner. There is something to be said for customers getting used to someone who is "different". This excuse was used back in the pre-civil rights days by some colleges, e.g. why educate a black engineer when no one would hire one. According to what I have heard, this was in fact Andrew Carnegie's philosophy at Carnegie Tech (now Carnegie-Mellon University).
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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If the dentist could prove s/he was turned down for this reason, s/he could sue the pants off the owner. There is something to be said for customers getting used to someone who is "different". This excuse was used back in the pre-civil rights days by some colleges, e.g. why educate a black engineer when no one would hire one. According to what I have heard, this was in fact Andrew Carnegie's philosophy at Carnegie Tech (now Carnegie-Mellon University).
My favorite doctor of all time was new to me in two ways the first time I saw her. She was the first female i had ever been to and she was also different racially in being a dark skinned, black haired woman from India. I loved her as a doctor and never had any dislike about anything she did or said. It was so obvious when she arrived at the clinic in that all the nurses and other help exploded in laughter just having her come in the door.

Not all people thought about her as I did. One man who thought of himself as a really free thinker once told me that he could never go to her. When I asked why he replied that she was not a Christian and sure enough she was a Buddhist. Some didn't like her skin color, some her religion and I could never understand any of them. She had become completely Americanized by the time she came to our little town and it was so good to have her around.
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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My favorite doctor of all time was new to me in two ways the first time I saw her. She was the first female i had ever been to and she was also different racially in being a dark skinned, black haired woman from India. I loved her as a doctor and never had any dislike about anything she did or said. It was so obvious when she arrived at the clinic in that all the nurses and other help exploded in laughter just having her come in the door.

Not all people thought about her as I did. One man who thought of himself as a really free thinker once told me that he could never go to her. When I asked why he replied that she was not a Christian and sure enough she was a Buddhist. Some didn't like her skin color, some her religion and I could never understand any of them. She had become completely Americanized by the time she came to our little town and it was so good to have her around.
You bring up a good point, roys. Many small towns would be happy with any doctor/dentist, no matter their cultural background. We are a nation of immigrants. Pepole should get over it. I don't know too many people who feel a need for some sort of "friend" relationship with their dentist/doctor anyway. Also, there was a time when people wouldn't accept women doctors.
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Old 07-02-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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Not sure about this "playing field" thing and i'm not sure if it really matters at this point. If you have opportunities that you can take advantage of, then you'll be ok if you follow through. If those opportunies don't really exist for you or are hard to come by, then it's gonna be tough. As that applies to race, i don't even think it matters what color or ethnic group you belong to.
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Old 07-02-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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What are your thoughts on Equality and whether the so called playing has been leveled between whites and blacks.


Do you think that blacks NO LONGER face discrimination?

Do you think blacks are well represented in all work industries and receive just as many promotions as whites?

Do you think blacks are very visable in high ranking postions of authority?



Give facts if you can.
They're more equal now than they ever have been, is that fair?

Total equilibrium isn't conducive to life. Total equilibrium requires absolute zero which is a point in which absolutely nothing is different than anything around it. That's the end of the universe though so no need to worry.

What does that tell you about any sort of life that takes advantage of the interim period in which it uses to propagate?
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