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Old 07-01-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Morrisville
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That is an odd reasoning process. You seem to suggest, that if somebody already does something anyway, that making a law that forces them to do such is acceptable? The issue is individual choice. While I may choose to brush my teeth after every meal, that by no means makes it unreasonable for me to object to a law that requires me to do such. In fact, this form of logic is that which is the problem today. It is why some people see no problems with heavily taxing products or behaviors they do not take part in. After all, they don't do it, so it is perfectly acceptable to do such, right?

I run 5 miles a day, and it is good for my health. Maybe we should institute a law requiring everyone to run 5 miles a day as well? I mean, its good for you, and I already do it so I don't care if they make it a law! /boggle
My reasoning is this...It's already a law. You would do it regardless of if it was a law or not. Why are you complaining about it if you already do it?

If a law is passed that forces you to do something that you don't already or regularly do then I can see getting huffy about it.

For the sake of this discussion it seems as if people are complaining for the sake of complaining under the guise of "personal freedom".

IMHO the reason that laws like this are in place is to protect the people that are too dumb to protect themselves.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:39 PM
 
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Driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right, and therefore it can be regulated.

Requiring seat belt use is no more an infringement on your rights than being required to turn on your headlights or use turn signals or stop at stop signs.

The road doesn't belong to you to do with whatever you please. Society has given government ownership and control of the public roads.

Government, on our behalf, makes the rules for public roads and allows who can and cannot drive on them.
Thank you Comrade.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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Not to disagree with whether you should wear a seat belt but, many lives have been saved by not wearing a belt and many lives have been lost because the were wearing a belt.
"I had a friend of mine that was in a Jeep that rolled over off the highway down an embankment. She couldn't get out in time before it burst into flames because of her seatbelt. People reported hearing her screaming as she burned to death."
Not Wearing A Seat Belt Saved My Life
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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all the studies surveys show how important seat belts are, and i believe most, if not all states have the click it or ticket campaign.

shouldnt it be left up to us whether or not we wear a seat belt. it only impacts us, doesnt harm anybody else.

at the same time this is something most people are ok with being forced to do.

imo we shouldnt need a law on the books, and leave it up to the people.

i myself rarely wear my seatbelt. not overweight or anything, just dont like the feel of it.
Only if emergency services are not wasted on you when you have an accident and get ejected from the vehicle.

[because then your problem becomes my problem]
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:26 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Only if emergency services are not wasted on you when you have an accident and get ejected from the vehicle.

[because then your problem becomes my problem]
Only if the person doesn't pay.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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all the studies surveys show how important seat belts are, and i believe most, if not all states have the click it or ticket campaign.

shouldnt it be left up to us whether or not we wear a seat belt. it only impacts us, doesnt harm anybody else.

at the same time this is something most people are ok with being forced to do.

imo we shouldnt need a law on the books, and leave it up to the people.

i myself rarely wear my seatbelt. not overweight or anything, just dont like the feel of it.
I disagree, I think it should not be left up to us b/c it CAN hurt others. If you get ejected out of the car or even just thrown into another seat within the car during an accident, you can potentially really hurt someone else. Also, if you are thrown from the vehicle, you can land in the road and cause an even bigger pileup when people swerve to avoid your body.

You also have to think about the resources "the system" would use if you were ejected or just even badly injured due to hitting the windshield, seat belt or something else in the car. An ambulance would definitely have to come out, and they always bring a fire truck with them for whatever reason, you've got hospital bills which you may or may not be able to pay, etc.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Only if the person doesn't pay.
If he can.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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I don't wear one unless my wife is in the car and then she makes me. So yes I object to it, but I have more to fear than just a ticket.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Chances are, a lot of people would. But more importantly, virtually everybody started wearing seat belts because of the law, not because they fell in love with it.
That's the crux of the matter right there. We can easily agree that it would be preferable if we, as Free Agents, decided to wear seatbelts of our own free will because it would be advantageous, and that the market then responded by putting seatbelts in our cars.

It appears not to work that way. Seatbelt use became widespread only after legislation. Even putting seatbelts in cars was a hard-fought battle in the first place.
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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I don't wear one unless my wife is in the car and then she makes me. So yes I object to it, but I have more to fear than just a ticket.
In some instances, we find ourselves governed by higher powers than The Law...
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