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Funny how we are constantly sold Big Government programs whose promised benefits never actually materialize. Yet massive taxes ALWAYS are confiscated, in so many hidden ways that we don't notice 95% of the losses.
NAFTA was supposed to increase the economy of Mexico, so the flood of illegal immigrants would stop. All that happened was that OUR jobs were decimated and pay/benefits cut.
Social Security sounded like a great idea when it was promised to never take more than 1% of the first $1,400 of your annual income, contributions would be deductible from income tax, the program would be completely voluntary, and the funds would NEVER be taken to fund other government spending. This program was great for the early winners of the Ponzi Scam. But if you are not currently age 60 or over, YOU LOSE, BIG-TIME. This single tax program confiscated 15.3% of my family's income for our entire lives, will in all likelihood never return a single PENNY, since the "Trust Fund" they PROMISED would not be touched, was of course stolen and spent.
Any American who believes ANYTHING a politician promises to get yet another Big Government program imposed, should be declared incompetent and put in a psychiatric hospital.
Unfortunately, with the Media feeding us lies like "Government is here to Help," and "Government Protects us from Big Business," it takes decades of experience to realize that government is an insatiable menace that cannot help but obsessively make itself bigger, stronger, more expensive, and more uncontrollable.
If there is one thing every American needs to learn is that GOVERNMENT will take more from you than any single entity in your life, and if you are a productive person, it will give you as close to nothing as possible.
Funny how we are constantly sold Big Government programs whose promised benefits never actually materialize. Yet massive taxes ALWAYS are confiscated, in so many hidden ways that we don't notice 95% of the losses.
NAFTA was supposed to increase the economy of Mexico, so the flood of illegal immigrants would stop. All that happened was that OUR jobs were decimated and pay/benefits cut.
Social Security sounded like a great idea when it was promised to never take more than 1% of the first $1,400 of your annual income, contributions would be deductible from income tax, the program would be completely voluntary, and the funds would NEVER be taken to fund other government spending. This program was great for the early winners of the Ponzi Scam. But if you are not currently age 60 or over, YOU LOSE, BIG-TIME. This single tax program confiscated 15.3% of my family's income for our entire lives, will in all likelihood never return a single PENNY, since the "Trust Fund" they PROMISED would not be touched, was of course stolen and spent.
Any American who believes ANYTHING a politician promises to get yet another Big Government program imposed, should be declared incompetent and put in a psychiatric hospital.
Unfortunately, with the Media feeding us lies like "Government is here to Help," and "Government Protects us from Big Business," it takes decades of experience to realize that government is an insatiable menace that cannot help but obsessively make itself bigger, stronger, more expensive, and more uncontrollable.
If there is one thing every American needs to learn is that GOVERNMENT will take more from you than any single entity in your life, and if you are a productive person, it will give you as close to nothing as possible.
Thats the beauty, according to Republicans that wrote it, about the insurance mandate.
It doesn't create another government program, but ensures that people are participating in the free market. The idea is that with more people on the insurance roles, that the free market will curb prices.
Personally I'd prefer a single payer system for healthcare that is needed and life threatening, but that isn't a conservative idea.
Remember, the public mandate was championed by Republicans in the 90's, they just didn't like it this time around because it came from a liberal.
To know why the healthcare prices have increased is the only way to know why the mandate should work for that.
I've posted this many times, and I know you've read it, but I'll post it again for everyone else.
In 1986, Reagan signed into law a mandate that all ER's in the country must take anyone who comes through their door, regardless of their ability to pay.
After the law was passed, those who couldn't pay went to ER's and received treatment for flu, broken arms, stitches, etc. But how does the ER and hospital make up for the mandate and the loss of pay, supplies, income for the free treatment? They decided to start charging more to those who have insurance, or conducting excess procedures to make more money to make up the difference. This caused insurance rates to increase for everyone who had insurance, and caused some to drop off the health insurance roles.
This made more people go to the ER for more free treatment, which caused more increases in the cost for the insured, which caused more people to drop off the role, which caused more people to go to the ER for free treatment....
And you see how the trend continues.
Now with a mandate, EVERYONE in the country will have insurance. That should stop hospitals from doing needless procedures and to stop the cycle that Reagan started.
You may not like "obamacare", but it is simply paying for a Republican Presidents socialist program from 1986.
No, explain how Obamacare is going to lower health care costs and decrease ER visits as you claim. Please, explain away. Don't deflect to Reagan in a feigned attempt to blame him for the nation's health care problems. Would you rather have patients routinely denied emergency services? He didn't create the problem of people not having health insurance or the reasons for the skyrocketing health care costs.
No, explain how Obamacare is going to lower health care costs and decrease ER visits as you claim. Please, explain away. Don't deflect to Reagan in a feigned attempt to blame him for the nation's health care problems. Would you rather have patients routinely denied emergency services? He didn't create the problem of people not having health insurance or the reasons for the skyrocketing health care costs.
Do you not understand that if people have insurance, that they'll go to a doctor instead of the ER?
Most private insurance companies have high copays for ER visits, but relatively nothing for family doctor visits.
The reason the healthcare law hasn't done anything for healthcare, the use of ER's, etc is because it hasn't come into effect yet.
My how we forget, when you lose your job, you cannot afford insurance.
Guess why they are on the increase now.
The article shows why there will be no slowdown in the numbers, only an increase.
All because some intellectual elites, cannot see past their noses they look down on everybody with.
Do you not understand that if people have insurance, that they'll go to a doctor instead of the ER?
Most private insurance companies have high copays for ER visits, but relatively nothing for family doctor visits.
Free market.
Thats what the mandate is supposed to do.
Except for the fact that it's unconstitutional for one. For two, doctors cannot be compelled to accept more and more Medicaid patients unless you plan to nationalize the health care industry. Are you forgetting about the unfunded Medicaid mandate that expands eligibility up to 133% of the federal poverty level? WHERE do you think the money will come from to pay for that? Not too many states are operating in the black and will now be responsible for paying for this unfunded mandate. Where will states get the revenue to pay? And when a Medicaid patient can't find a doctor willing to accept pittance reimbursement rates, where do you think those patients will end up? Oh, that's right, the ER.
ETA: There's no ER co-pays for people on Medicaid.
My how we forget, when you lose your job, you cannot afford insurance.
Guess why they are on the increase now.
The article shows why there will be no slowdown in the numbers, only an increase.
All because some intellectual elites, cannot see past their noses they look down on everybody with.
You get a tax credit for that insurance, and if you make below a certain income level, like when you are unemployed, you go on medicaid already.
Do you not understand that if people have insurance, that they'll go to a doctor instead of the ER?
Most private insurance companies have high copays for ER visits, but relatively nothing for family doctor visits.
Free market.
Thats what the mandate is supposed to do.
Do you understand even with insurance, they cannot find service, no matter what the co-pay is. You cannot force a private independent doctor to accept a patient. Not going to happen.
Only Hospitals make that decision. The doctor still gets paid his salary. The hospital takes the loss not the doctor.
I dunno how true that is. I know several people on medicaid that have PCPs and still go to the ER for every little thing. Why, more than likely, they think they will get the better drugs. they tend to go on the wekends for every little ache and pain.
I'm NOT saying everybody on Medicaid is like this, just some.
Right now, we have no health insurance, am hoping to remedy that, if I can find a plan that's affordable.
I'm not sure I like "Obamacare" but we do need to be able to have access to affordable health insurance that doesn't have a whole bunch of pre-exisiting condition clauses.
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No, explain how Obamacare is going to lower health care costs and decrease ER visits as you claim. Please, explain away. Don't deflect to Reagan in a feigned attempt to blame him for the nation's health care problems. Would you rather have patients routinely denied emergency services? He didn't create the problem of people not having health insurance or the reasons for the skyrocketing health care costs.
