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Old 07-11-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Yea.....

That straw was getting a president that's a Democrat.

Really?

I thought it was gaining control of the House.
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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It was raised the the debt limit every year between 2002 and 2007 with the enthusiastic support of the very people decrying it now. All of a sudden a democrat is in office, and oh no...can't do it.

Repubs would rather send the economic back into a recession then a single increase to give the country enough time to bring revenue back up. Plus enact all their favored social reforms for the most needy, and cuts to the wealthiest citizens. Just goes to show people who they really work for.
They are just scrambling around trying to keep Obama from making them look small....they are losing the struggle. They are small.
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I see your point (in bold) At the same time, revenues should match expenditures. When someone is trying to get out of debt they not only cut spending but they try to increase their income. People do that all the time, and it works.

The per capita tax burden as a function of GDP has tripled since 1960.

When will it be enough?

Revenue in United States 1900-2010 - Federal State Local As Percent Of GDP&state=US&color=c&local=s
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Businesses expand on demand, businesses don't expand when they have extra cash (like from tax breaks)...they would just be making products they would need to store. That's why there have been great dividends and stock buy backs recently.

Is it really right that tax payers should allocate tax breaks to the rich people so they can buy luxury products instead of helping people have enough healthy food to eat and a home over their head?

If you are doing it just to make sure some one "earns" every penny serving the rich, it seems a bit...wrong to me.
Then revamp the tax code completely to a consumption based tax instead and in place of the income tax. It should outrage everyone that the IRS is used by our government as a ghestapo against its citizens. Everyone must have some skin in paying taxes to get entitlement spending under control. The tax base must be widened so that those who rely on the government as their sole provider cannot vote themselves raises without having it affect their own pocket as well. Those who consume more, those with disposable income, will pay more and think little of it because it will be their choice and not a decree by Ceasar.
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Old 07-11-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Default So what would happen if we did not raise our debt ceiling?

In a word, Catastrophe.

Debt Ceiling: What Happens If It Isn't Raised?
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Nothing, just a government shut down. The President will secure enough debt to pay our debt and its interest. We won't go bankrupt or not honor our debt. Its against the law to not honor our debts and its interest.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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In a word, Catastrophe.
Not true.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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The answer to the OP's question is simple. The Republicans are opposed to it for the same reason that the Democrats and Obama was opposed to it when Bush asked for it to be raised.
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Then revamp the tax code completely to a consumption based tax instead and in place of the income tax.
I would be interested in a VAT, but to stop the operation of an entire country to wait for some one to go through with the process of making the system and requiring everyone to vote favorably without debate or else nothing will happen is insane.

Stopping federal operations such as paychecks to the military payments of Social Security/Medicare (for food and life saving treatments) until people do it is pretty foul for anyone.

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It should outrage everyone that the IRS is used by our government as a ghestapo against its citizens.
Invoking Godwin's Law on the second sentence? New record for you.

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Everyone must have some skin in paying taxes to get entitlement spending under control.
That's very bizarre circular logic. Give people money, tax them on it, and need to pay them more money in taxes to make up the difference between the cost of the item and the tax.

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The tax base must be widened so that those who rely on the government as their sole provider cannot vote themselves raises without having it affect their own pocket as well.
So, if I pay no taxes I don't vote? I feel bad for college students or those who live with a family member. Interesting concept, besides the cost of the enforcement otherwise. With a consumption based tax....conceivably anyone who buys something could get a vote.

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Those who consume more, those with disposable income, will pay more and think little of it because it will be their choice and not a decree by Ceasar.
That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying a several thousand year old dictator is making people buy stuff?
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Old 07-11-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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Its against the law to not honor our debts and its interest.
The government will end up breaking the law.

There's only so much we can borrow. Eventually, countries will refuse to loan us money. Then what?

What would China do if the US said it would not repay the money they loaned it?
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