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Old 07-05-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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Yep. They should most definitely pay their fair share, which can be accomplished by cutting their taxes in half.
And when that was done, as it has been done in the past, the economy would take off at a full gallop with the infusion of new capitol. America would be on the mend. Unfortunately, The Dunce is more interested in his power than his (or our) country. Personally, I think he cares more about his Pings than the USA.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:51 PM
 
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Let's be honest, you didn't put any thought into this thread, and you don't really know what you're talking about. Perhaps some of that money could be spent to make quality education more affordable, so someone could teach you that "payed" is not a word.
You're absolutely correct, I put little to no thought into this thread. But let's be honest, more tax money would just mean more wars, prison sentences for minor drug crimes, more welfare programs. Agree or disagree?
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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You're absolutely correct, I put little to no thought into this thread. But let's be honest, more tax money would just mean more wars, prison sentences for minor drug crimes, more welfare programs. Agree or disagree?
Disagree.

Pursuing another war right now is political and national suicide, and we simply don't have the manpower or the stomach for it.

Additional money would have little impact on the incarceration of drug offenders, since we lock them up with little concern for the cost even at this very moment, even if it means the proliferation of private prisons which are less safe (for both employees and prisoners) than traditional prisons.

Welfare programs, perhaps, but it would simply be the continuation of them, not an extension of them. We have too much debt to pay off for that, and there are so many other things that the money could also be used towards other things which are extraordinarily pressing.

Our top public universities (Berkeley, Michigan, Virginia, etc.), for instance, will soon be indistinguishable from private universities when it comes to cost, Pell grants are being cut, healthcare costs are still exorbitant.

You're not even trying, which is sad, because our current financial situation deserves at least a little bit of critical thought. Social mobility is in a poor state, and the stratification of wealth is heading to levels which haven't been seen since the Great Depression, and you're churning out limp-wristed excuses basically suggesting that increased taxation of the people who dominate our country wouldn't actually help anyone because the government would give more handouts to welfare layabouts (and simultaneously trying to suggest that maybe it's better for the poor, since increased taxation would lead to increased prosecution of drug offenders).
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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Social mobility is in a poor state, and the stratification of wealth is heading to levels which haven't been seen since the Great Depression
Much of the blame for that can be placed solely upon the government, which is enabling the exponential growth of the dependent class.
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"The 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) gave states greater flexibility to formulate and implement initiatives to reduce welfare dependency and encourage employment for members of low-income families with children. For the nation, in 2006, 10 years after passage of the Act, the birth rate for women 15 to 50 years old receiving public assistance income in the last 12 months was 155 births per 1,000 women, about three times the rate for women not receiving public assistance (53 births per 1,000 women)."
http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p20-558.pdf

The government is clearly providing rather attractive financial incentives for the dependent class to do nothing other than outbreed those who are forced to pay taxes to support them at a rate of 3 to 1.

Who thinks that's sustainable?
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:27 PM
 
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Much of the blame for that can be placed solely upon the government, which is enabling the exponential growth of the dependent class. http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p20-558.pdf

The government is clearly providing rather attractive financial incentives for the dependent class to do nothing other than outbreed those who are forced to pay taxes to support them at a rate of 3 to 1.

Who thinks that's sustainable?
Welfare dependency is a negative, but the solution is to create greater opportunity, not to slash support and leave the impoverished to die. Instead, we are deepening the hole, pulling up the ladders, and spitting on them for not being able to climb out.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:34 PM
 
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Welfare dependency is a negative, but the solution is to create greater opportunity, not to slash support and leave the impoverished to die.
The solution is to not provide such attractive freebie government handouts that the dependent class outbreeds those who are forced to pay to support them by a rate of 3 to 1.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:38 PM
 
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The solution is to not provide such attractive freebie government handouts that the dependent class outbreeds those who are forced to pay to support them by a rate of 3 to 1.
This is basically a non-response, and is not a solution. The broken record act isn't going to work here, and let me also point out that you're making an argument which quickly veers into eugenics. Stop the poors from making babies, that will solve all the problems. What about the poor single mothers who have their financial support eliminated? Screw them, right? Their children don't deserve to live, and shouldn't have had the audacity to be born to a dirty, unproductive poor.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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Let me put it this way. Let's say we eliminate welfare, medicare, and medicaid right now. What do you anticipate the outcome to be?
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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You know what, I'm tired of this argument.

Tax the rich to hell and just watch what happens. There will be no more argument when all social programs go under and the rich stop bothering to create jobs, create capitol gains from profitable ventures, or worse they'll say $crew this and leave. If your response is "let them leave", it's just biting the hand that feeds the economy.

Who will you blame then?
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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You know what, I'm tired of this argument.

Tax the rich to hell and just watch what happens. There will be no more argument when all social programs go under and the rich say ********** and leave. Say let them leave is just biting the hand that feeds the economy.

Who will you blame then?
No one, because what you say won't happen. The wealthy were taxed far more in the pre-Reagan years and didn't find it necessary to flee the country.
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