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Old 07-14-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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US Customs & Border agents were killed as a result of this deal.

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the March 24, 2009, video may rival the tape that turned a "third-rate burglary" into a presidential resignation. No one died at Watergate. Agent Brian Terry lost his life in the administration's obsessive pursuit of gun control.

In addition to Agent Terry, Immigration Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was also killed in a separate incident by a weapon allowed to "walk" into Mexico from the U.S. as part of the administration's third-rate alleged attempt to track and catch gun traffickers.

The video shows Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, who would resign nine months later after less than a year's service, telling reporters at a Department of Justice briefing of major policy initiatives to fight the Mexican drug cartels.
Fast And Furious Scandal: A Watergate For Obama? - Investors.com

Watch them try to sweep this under the rug.
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:42 PM
 
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US Customs & Border agents were killed as a result of this deal.



Fast And Furious Scandal: A Watergate For Obama? - Investors.com

Watch them try to sweep this under the rug.
They're doing a good job of it so far.
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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an executive order, for what purpose? Do you think an executive order can trump the US Constitution?

Yes, it can. Until somebody challenges it in court.
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Yup. And no more nightly count of the War dead, which ended at about 3,000 dead under WarMonger Bush, but exceeded 6,000 under Obama (aka "Bush on Steroids"). Can't even FIND those stats on the internet. I'm sure we can afford to take care of the hundred of thousands of servicemen who were maimed and disabled while providing target practice for desert terrorists, particularly with the wonderful fiscal management of the government budget, as well as the ruination of the overall economy and wiping out of our Middle Class.

Everything Obama criticized Bush for, Obama has continued and escalated. Wars, spending, corruption, money for Big Business...

When the next dictionary is published, it needs the picture of a certain wingnut-eared President sitting next to the word "hypocrite."

Good post.

It's quite informative to watch how the Bush issues that were so important to the media and protesters have now become non issues. War costs and deaths have suddenly become back page news as they keep going on and on and on.....
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:47 PM
 
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And then they had the nerve to say publicly that Mexicans are getting guns from US dealers ?
Remember that big issue ?

Why of course they were but they failed to tell us it was the government giving them all those guns.

I guess the mantra of activists is true..."whatever it takes".
As opposed to the 85,000 guns coming into Mexico via Texas!
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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Good post.

It's quite informative to watch how the Bush issues that were so important to the media and protesters have now become non issues. War costs and deaths have suddenly become back page news as they keep going on and on and on.....
War costs, and especially deaths, are still very much an issue with the Left Wing media. Anti-war is anti-war. They call Obama "Bush 3".

Generally, I think, you're right. Obama does get the benefit of the doubt from the MSM and the public on the war. But not for the reasons you think.

For one thing, they know Obama didn't start it. For another, he has drawn down in Iraq, and stepped up in Afghanistan, pretty much as he said he would (getting bin Laden in the process helped buy him some time). My sense is Obama's going to declare "victory" in Afghanistan later this year, and start pulling out. The GWOT goes on, with an emphasis on technology and small-scale targeted attacks. As Obama said during the election, he isn't anti-war, he's anti-dumb war.

Consequently, you don't see a lot of marches and demonstrations, like in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. But except for the occasional Code Pink outburst, you didn't have much of that in the post-Iraq invasion Bush years either.

Finally, the war is part of our daily lives now. About 10% of us bear the sacrifice for the other 90%, who are free to consider the conflict as "bad stuff happening to someone else" Meanwhile, the people have other distractions, such as trying to survive in this economy.

One of the cold hard truths spoken by Brent Scowcroft when we were preparing for Operation Desert Shield was that Americans were going to have to be "inoculated" against our averison to taking casualties. Sadly, I think we are there.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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They're doing a good job of it so far.
They are.

It's very odd the way so many are completely two-faced. This supplying of weapons to some of the most violent groups on the planet is fine because Obama's administration did it.

No questions can be asked. Whatever the Emporer feels like doing - they're fine with it.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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Default Guns from "Fast & Furious show up at dozens of crime scenes

The ineptness uncovered about this DOJ/BATFE operation just keeps revealing itself to be worse and worse.

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(Reuters) - At least 122 firearms from a botched U.S. undercover operation have been found at crime scenes in Mexico or intercepted en route to drug cartels there, according to a Republican congressional report being issued on Tuesday.
Guns from U.S. sting at Mexican crime scenes: report | Reuters
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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And the media has said nothing on this. This whole story is huge and could/should result in some heads rolling in the DOJ and could even be a criminal matter.

Charges of Capital Murder seem appropriate to me. Seeing as the goal of Holder and company was to have drug lords use these weapons to MURDER people and then have the guns used traced back to US dealers to score political points I feel that premeditated murder charges would be justified.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Exclamation Intimidation of witnesses!

Blatant obstruction of justice by the Obama administration!

Issa: Obama admin intimidating witnesses in ATF gun probe - Washington Times

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The Obama administration sought to intimidate witnesses into not testifying to Congress on Tuesday about whether ATF knowingly allowed weapons, including assault rifles, to be “walked” into Mexico, the chairman of a House committee investigating the program said in an interview Monday.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said at least two scheduled witnesses expected to be asked about a controversial weapons investigation known as “Fast and Furious”received warning letters from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to limit their testimony.
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