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Old 07-10-2011, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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No. YTou think Reagan created drugs don't you?

His wife was. You know there's a huge precedent for U.S. president's wives finding some cause of the time to champion.

What does it matter? He was trying to stimulate a failing economy? He over did it and realized that. Or are your arguments now trickle down came because of huge tax increase?

Or do you even know your arguments?

No. But I wouldn't expect you to even understand the valid arguments behind Iran-Contra solely based on the fact that you don't seem to even understand the program at all.
No, he didn't "create" drugs, he created the failed drug war. Don't try to blame the "war" on Nancy. She was all about treating it as a disease. Rayguns started the failed "war".

It doesn't matter. The fact is, most conservatives today treat raising taxes in a failing economy as unheard of when their savior did it. Funny isn't it?

Raygun did engage in trading weapons with drug lords.

Like I said, the airport is more than enough. Put your knee pads away.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Pittsburgh metro unemployment rate:

January 1983: 17.1%
January, 1989: 4.2%

A 75% reduction in just over 6 years is phenomenal.

Oh, and you should probably read up on the Job Training Partnership Act of 1982, the Trade and Tariff Act of 1984, and the Aluminum and Steel Modernization Act of 1987.

Also, you should read this thorough CBO report on federal policies in the steel industry and how the Reagan administration was the first to face the problem head on, rather than shy away as other presidents had after the initial 1973 collapse in the steel industry:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/61xx/doc6...04b-Entire.pdf

Furthermore, the US had it easy compared to other steel producing countries in Western Europe, which suffered even worse problems in the 1970s and 1980s than the US.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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No, he didn't "create" drugs, he created the failed drug war. Don't try to blame the "war" on Nancy. She was all about treating it as a disease. Rayguns started the failed "war".

It doesn't matter. The fact is, most conservatives today treat raising taxes in a failing economy as unheard of when their savior did it. Funny isn't it?

Raygun did engage in trading weapons with drug lords.

Like I said, the airport is more than enough. Put your knee pads away.
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The Drug Enforcement Administration was created by President Richard Nixon through an Executive Order in July 1973 in order to establish a single unified command to combat "an all-out global war on the drug menace." At its outset, DEA had 1,470 Special Agents and a budget of less than $75 million. Today, the DEA has nearly 5,000 Special Agents and a budget of $2.02 billion.
DEA History (http://www.justice.gov/dea/history.htm - broken link)

How many of your other facts are completely wrong?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ecial/cia.html

Ohh, all of them.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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No, he didn't "create" drugs, he created the failed drug war. Don't try to blame the "war" on Nancy. She was all about treating it as a disease. Rayguns started the failed "war".

It doesn't matter. The fact is, most conservatives today treat raising taxes in a failing economy as unheard of when their savior did it. Funny isn't it?

Raygun did engage in trading weapons with drug lords.

Like I said, the airport is more than enough. Put your knee pads away.
Actually, drug use was decreasing by the end of the 1980s. I have the exact figures somewhere.

As for the taxes, I will repeat... the wealthy ended up paying more in taxes, by percent, by the end of Reagan's term(s) than they were under Carter. And the middle class and poor were paying less.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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This is America, there is always a drug epidemic.

In the 1970s it was mostly harmless drugs like pot or some hallucinogenics, in the 1980s it was crack cocaine, in the 1990s it was heroin and ecstasy, and in the 2000s it was meth. In the past couple years it has been a huge surge in prescription drug abuse and pain killers, which most would argue is worse than all the previous epidemics combined (heroin, meth, and crack cocaine were not all that widespread, pain killer and prescription drug abuse span all age and income groups).
"Always"..Really? People were battling in the streets over drug turf "always"?..Haha. Hard core drugs and there inherent violence swept the country on Reagans watch and he responded with a failed drug war that's costing us financially today. Comparing prescription drugs to the violence and desperation that accompanies cocaine and heroin is laughable at best. Point is, Rayguns was in no way the god his droolers try to portray him today.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Actually, drug use was decreasing by the end of the 1980s. I have the exact figures somewhere.

As for the taxes, I will repeat... the wealthy ended up paying more in taxes, by percent, by the end of Reagan's term(s) than they were under Carter. And the middle class and poor were paying less.
Drug violence wasn't decreasing, it was just getting going.

So, why are conservatives against raising taxes on the wealthy now especially when the proposed raises would be less than they were under Reagan? I'll give you an answer. The GOP doesn't want the economy to recover under a Democratic president. They're hacks..Middle class taxes are currently at their lowest.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Pittsburgh metro unemployment rate:

January 1983: 17.1%
January, 1989: 4.2%

A 75% reduction in just over 6 years is phenomenal.

Oh, and you should probably read up on the Job Training Partnership Act of 1982, the Trade and Tariff Act of 1984, and the Aluminum and Steel Modernization Act of 1987.

Also, you should read this thorough CBO report on federal policies in the steel industry and how the Reagan administration was the first to face the problem head on, rather than shy away as other presidents had after the initial 1973 collapse in the steel industry:

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/61xx/doc6...04b-Entire.pdf

Furthermore, the US had it easy compared to other steel producing countries in Western Europe, which suffered even worse problems in the 1970s and 1980s than the US.
The big crash came in 1982.

History of Pittsburgh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pittsburgh in Words - Collapse of the Steel Industry, 1982 by John P. Hoerr

Pittsburgh: Capital of Appalachia | The Moderate Voice

When the steel industry collapsed in Pittsburgh in 1982 the city’s population was cut in half and Pittsburghers scoured the nation for work.

Yes, the UE rate went down, as many of the unemployed DID "vote with their feet". Pittsburgh's MSA population has decreased almost every year since 1970. The people who had jobs tended to stay. Another factor is that a lot of people just quit looking for jobs. It took at least 10 years for Pittsburgh to rebound.l

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Old 07-10-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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Drug violence wasn't decreasing, it was just getting going.

So, why are conservatives against raising taxes on the wealthy now especially when the proposed raises would be less than they were under Reagan? I'll give you an answer. The GOP doesn't want the economy to recover under a Democratic president. They're hacks..Middle class taxes are currently at their lowest.
Well, lets see. You've been wrong on every other "fact" in this thread and now you're presenting more.
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Old 07-10-2011, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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Well, lets see. You've been wrong on every other "fact" in this thread and now you're presenting more.
Please stop taking up thread space with non-answers.
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Old 07-10-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Rational World Park
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DEA History (http://www.justice.gov/dea/history.htm - broken link)

How many of your other facts are completely wrong?

Special Reports - Cocaine, Conspiracy Theories And The Cia In Central America | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS

Ohh, all of them.
The Reagan-Era Drug War Legacy
  • [SIZE=-1]Erosion of the Posse Comitatus Act, the 1868 law that forbids federal troops from engaging in domestic law enforcement activities. It was the erosion of Posse Comitatus that led to the killing of US citizen Esequiel Hernandez by US Marines outside Redford, Texas, and the use of military equipment and personnel against the Branch Davidians in Waco in 1993 (under the pretext that they were cooking meth).[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=-1]Zero-tolerance "Just Say No" as a public policy approach to drug use. "Not long ago in Oakland, California, I was asked by a group of children what to do if they were offered drugs," explained Nancy Reagan in 1986. "And I answered, 'Just Say No.' Soon after that those children in Oakland formed a Just Say No Club and now there are over 10,000 such clubs all over the country."[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=-1]Passage of the 1986 crime bill, notable for the imposition of mandatory minimum sentences for the first time since 1970. This act also created the federal Sentencing Commission and the current system of federal sentencing guidelines, which did away with parole in the federal system, ensuring that prisoners would serve at least 85% of their sentences. And it included asset forfeiture.[/SIZE]
  • [SIZE=-1]Passage of the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988, which established a federal death penalty for "drug kingpins." Reagan signed that bill in his wife's honor.[/SIZE]
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