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Old 07-13-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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He got insurance through a group government policy. It was completely dependent upon his employer. By himself, as a tradesman or entrepreneur, it would not have been likely.
He got big government elite health care with our tax dollars.
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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He got big government elite health care with our tax dollars.
Well, I love my brother, and I am damn glad he did. Aren't you? Or do you think a twelve year old or an amputee cancer survivor should be kicked the curb?

Man up. Our tax dollars can do good things sometimes, and I am damn proud of it. We already know we can kill every person on earth with our weapons.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:44 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Why?

Why is it the government's problem if a person does not have health care? This should not be a legal issue.

Many who don't have health care paid insurance companies for decades and then were dropped when they needed the coverage they had purchased. Insurance companies backing out like that IS a legal issue.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: New Mexico
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The attitude that people aren't responsible for their own healthcare, needs to go the way of the buggy whip industry.
Government needs to get out of it entirely and insurance should be a hedge for catastrophic health occurrences.
Let consumers pay, and you'll see prices fall and quality of care improve as doctors compete for their dollars.

Thinking an all knowing bureaucracy can dictate the proper treatment of individuals is another failed progressive notion.

The attitude that insurance companies can collect thousands in premiums and then cancel coverage on a whim is what needs to go. The insurance industry has brought this on themselves through their own shortsightedness and executive greed. They've shown no indications of becoming a useful service again. So, they should go onto the scrapheap of history.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:50 PM
 
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Why?

Why is it the government's problem if a person does not have health care? This should not be a legal issue.
I don't know, why would a nation want to have healthy citizens? Why would a nation not want its citizens to go bankrupt in order to pay for their medical expenses? It's almost as if increasing the standard of living for the general population makes a nation more productive and generally better in every way.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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My brother contracted bone cancer at 12. After an amputation and two years of chemotherapy, he was cancer free, with hair growing back. For his whole life he has been uninsurable. He is now an IT professional for a city government, so he finally has group health insurance. If he were laid off, he would have continued to be uninsurable for life. Because of the reforms passed in 2009, he now cannot be denied coverage. Ok, some lucky stiff in his 20 might need to pay health insurance premiums, when he may not need or want them (though never say never-how many of you know 20 somethings that had terrible misfortune?). A nuisance, perhaps, but how is that an such an evil and outrage?

Why is it the employer's responsibility and not ours as a society? It seems inconsistent (many people will be left out) and bad for business.

We agree to field and pay for a military and other agencies (EPA, National Parks, Homeland Security), why is a means to provide health care to all so evil? Somehow Obama was turned into the antichrist over this, and I just don't get it. Mercy and decency used to be American instincts.
The HCR bill is neither merciful or decent.

It is a massive transfer of wealth and power from the productive members of society to a bloated federal government.

While I agree that there should be affordable insurance for people with pre-existing conditions, that could have been solved without a $2 Trillion Dollar, two thousand plus page bill.

I hope your brother continues to be healthy.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Here's another one. My mother was diagnosed with bipolar disorder several years ago. She was covered under my father's employer's health care plan, so she had no problem getting help for it. For those who don't know, bipolar disorder often requires several medications that are VERY expensive without insurance.

Fast forward a while and my parents get divorced. My mother is still covered by that insurance for a bit but eventually it runs out. What next? She could not find any insurance companies that would take her on for 6 months because of a pre-existing condition (her bipolar disorder). She had to shell out big money for medication (which she absolutely needs). Eventually she got on a low-income health insurance plan run by Maryland. Now she's moving to DC and may face the same predicament.

So yes, I wave my middle finger high in the air to anybody who opposes regulations that prevent people from being insured for conditions that they had NO CHOICE in getting. It's not like she got lung cancer from smoking or heart disease from eating like a pig (and even then I support them being covered).

But I am not a big fan of Obamacare. I would have much rather had a single-payer national health service a la Canada, the UK, Germany or even Taiwan. The current thing had a few good things (e.g. not allowing denial of coverage to people with pre-existing conditions) but otherwise it sucks. Basically forcing you to buy expensive bull****.
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Old 07-13-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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Health care reform would be a great thing. The problem is that Obamacare simply made a law that everyone must PURCHASE the one-size-fits-all plan chosen by government, and pay whatever cost is established by the incredibly profitable capitalist middleman, Big Insurance. And since Obama is a master of giving Special Interests everything they ask for, the resulting plan includes FULL mental health parity, no lifetime maximums, no exclusions, and the most expensive care in the world for EVERYONE. The cost of this is incomprehensible, and far beyond what our nation can afford now that our economy is destroyed.

Ahhh, huh? You don't have to buy any insurance. Youll be penalized if you keep leeching off of the healthcare premiums of others yes, but you can not get healthcare. You also don't need to get a government plan.

Given that the Republicans made 0 effort to help the reform and did a lot to hinder it, Obama was forced to deal a lot more with the special interests. The Republicans chose to make things this way. There could have been a better result if they had cared about something other than the next election.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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My brother contracted bone cancer at 12. After an amputation and two years of chemotherapy, he was cancer free, with hair growing back. For his whole life he has been uninsurable. He is now an IT professional for a city government, so he finally has group health insurance. If he were laid off, he would have continued to be uninsurable for life. Because of the reforms passed in 2009, he now cannot be denied coverage. Ok, some lucky stiff in his 20 might need to pay health insurance premiums, when he may not need or want them (though never say never-how many of you know 20 somethings that had terrible misfortune?). A nuisance, perhaps, but how is that an such an evil and outrage?

Why is it the employer's responsibility and not ours as a society? It seems inconsistent (many people will be left out) and bad for business.

We agree to field and pay for a military and other agencies (EPA, National Parks, Homeland Security), why is a means to provide health care to all so evil? Somehow Obama was turned into the antichrist over this, and I just don't get it. Mercy and decency used to be American instincts.
Insurance is a STATE issue and not a federal government issue. The federal government should not be in the insurance business at all. States are in charge of insurance. It is what the constitution says. States should pass laws to make insurance coverage more affordable for people with pre-existing conditions. It would probably be less costly that what states currently pay for Medicaid.

Obamacare is evil for several reasons.

1. It forces individuals to buy an insurance plan they don't want. Are you a nonsmoker and not want to pay for smoking sessation? Well forget it. The federal government DICTATES to every NONSMOKER that they must now purchase a plan that covers smoking cessation. How stupid is that?

2. It allows convicted SEX OFFENDERS to purchase Viagra. As if they need it.

3. If this bill is so great, then why so many waivers? I have yet to see one liberal in the media or in person give me an answer to this. They can't because there isn't one.

4. Why are LIBERAL UNIONS exempting themselves from Obamacare? I mean if I were championing a great piece of legislation I would be the first to sign up. Truth is, this isn't a great piece of legislation which is why liberal unions receive waivers.

5. Why isn't the president and congress covered under Obamacare? They wrote the bill and championed it. Again, if I championed a piece of legislation that I knew was great, I would be the first to sign up. Obama and Congress know the truth about this bill.

6. It is evil because it discourages growth of small businesses. Small businesses will receive help with insurance coverage if they DON'T HIRE MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE. Now, why would a small business grow to more than 50? With 20 million people stuck in UNEMPLOYMENT HELL, I think that only SATAN himself would pass a bill that discourages hiring. Talk about immoral. Anything that discourages hiring is IMMORAL.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Insurance is a STATE issue and not a federal government issue. The federal government should not be in the insurance business at all. States are in charge of insurance. It is what the constitution says. States should pass laws to make insurance coverage more affordable for people with pre-existing conditions. It would probably be less costly that what states currently pay for Medicaid.
This is the greatest mental gymnastics trick of the year. Perfect 10! So if the state passes a law exactly like Obamacare, it's OK? I don't believe the constitution addresses health insurance.

Medicaid is a different issue altogether; it's not for people with pre-existing conditions; it's for poor people. It is also a federal-state program.
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