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Anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is mentally ill!
And on and on and on. Its so annoying.
Our constitution was not based on the bible or judeo chritian beliefs. It was based on romeo-greco and English/humanist reforms and laws. The founding fathers were mostly deists, not the zealot christians fundamentalists portray them to be. FACT
However, this country is based a Christian culture and while this should not influence laws at the FEDERAL level, it has a place in America and should be respected just as those who are atheist etc would like to be respected.
The FEDERAL govt. should not ever be legislating on social issues like Gay marriage. There is no part of the constituion that gives them any power to do this. Thus it should be given to the STATES. Idiots on both sides have used this push their agenda on parts of America that don't need or want it.
HOWEVER the states have full right to decide on social issues, if you don't like it, move somewhere else. No one is stopping you.
Liberals keep comparing healthcare to Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Britain etc. AMERICA IS NOT EVEN CLOSE DEMOGRAPHICALLY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES. None of thes countries are in debt. None of these countries even have A THIRD of our population, a federal run healthcare system like the NHS is absurd.
However, the number of people without insurance is absurd and the cost of health care is often too. ON THE STATE LEVEL, something must be done to create some sort of govt. health system that keeps the population healthy, offers free care, and focuses on PREVENTITIVE care. States compare to Euro countires, the US does not.
We need to raise taxes on certain things. I'm CONSERVATIVE.
However, we need to cut, cut, cut WAY more to get this country in the black.
We don't need:
Dept of Education (Or teachers unions ) SHOULD be regulated on state level
A war on drugs (Its failed and is a waste of money)
Involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya. Let them figure it out themselves.
A federal healthcare bereaucracy (You thought the military-indus. complex was big, just wait)
Regulations on small businesses, Obama has screwed over many more than he's helped.
This super PC atttitude about keeping Christianity out of schools but allowing other religions a dispaportionate influence and acceptance in public schools to promote tolerance. All religions treated the same
The influence of lobbies on the political process. This is more a moral problem than anything
We still need:
The EPA, we need to protect nature. However, resticting hunters and anglers, who donate more to conservation than any other group (Ducks Unlimited, CCA) while allowing international fishing corporations to devastate fisheries as the Obama admin. has is stupid. We protect what we love. Hands off.
And make everyone equal, BUT we can name things different things:
Should gay couples have equal rights. YES. Should it be called marriage? ASK THE STATES
Affirmative action should be eliminated
Theres more but I'm rambling...
I like this. I would describe it as a reasonable rant. Well done!
Surely you're joking. They are on the WRONG side of nearly every issue.
Spending - check.
Deficit - check.
Debt - check.
Drilling - check.
You want to know why?
About 43% of Americans consider themselves conservative. Only 18% of Americans think like you.
Op - this is nothing. Better buckle your seat belt when the 2012 campaign gets rolling.
None of those rate as major issues. And I said Democratic Party, not "liberals" Most people Identify as Democrats, so you can stop being intentionally obtuse.
Anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is mentally ill!
And on and on and on. Its so annoying.
Our constitution was not based on the bible or judeo chritian beliefs. It was based on romeo-greco and English/humanist reforms and laws. The founding fathers were mostly deists, not the zealot christians fundamentalists portray them to be. FACT
However, this country is based a Christian culture and while this should not influence laws at the FEDERAL level, it has a place in America and should be respected just as those who are atheist etc would like to be respected.
The FEDERAL govt. should not ever be legislating on social issues like Gay marriage. There is no part of the constituion that gives them any power to do this. Thus it should be given to the STATES. Idiots on both sides have used this push their agenda on parts of America that don't need or want it.
HOWEVER the states have full right to decide on social issues, if you don't like it, move somewhere else. No one is stopping you.
Liberals keep comparing healthcare to Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Britain etc. AMERICA IS NOT EVEN CLOSE DEMOGRAPHICALLY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES. None of thes countries are in debt. None of these countries even have A THIRD of our population, a federal run healthcare system like the NHS is absurd.
However, the number of people without insurance is absurd and the cost of health care is often too. ON THE STATE LEVEL, something must be done to create some sort of govt. health system that keeps the population healthy, offers free care, and focuses on PREVENTITIVE care. States compare to Euro countires, the US does not.
We need to raise taxes on certain things. I'm CONSERVATIVE.
However, we need to cut, cut, cut WAY more to get this country in the black.
We don't need:
Dept of Education (Or teachers unions ) SHOULD be regulated on state level
A war on drugs (Its failed and is a waste of money)
Involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya. Let them figure it out themselves.
A federal healthcare bereaucracy (You thought the military-indus. complex was big, just wait)
Regulations on small businesses, Obama has screwed over many more than he's helped.
This super PC atttitude about keeping Christianity out of schools but allowing other religions a dispaportionate influence and acceptance in public schools to promote tolerance. All religions treated the same
The influence of lobbies on the political process. This is more a moral problem than anything
We still need:
The EPA, we need to protect nature. However, resticting hunters and anglers, who donate more to conservation than any other group (Ducks Unlimited, CCA) while allowing international fishing corporations to devastate fisheries as the Obama admin. has is stupid. We protect what we love. Hands off.
And make everyone equal, BUT we can name things different things:
Should gay couples have equal rights. YES. Should it be called marriage? ASK THE STATES
Affirmative action should be eliminated
Theres more but I'm rambling...
I agree with much of that but you are a little incorrect regarding the states. Even in states, the majority does not have the right to violate the rights of the individual.
Here is an interesting interview regarding this issue.
You do have to realize most people have had their consent manufactured through cultural hegemony, power imbalances, and astroturfing.
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Show me a person who complains that "both sides" are equally at fault...And I'll show you someone who doesn't pay close attention to politics.
There isn't a major issue out there where the Democratic Party doesn't stand along side the majority of US citizens.
Only through a very effective propaganda effort is the "middle" now considered by pundits to be ...cutting medicare, cutting social security, not touching defense, and no minor raises in the tax rates of the wealthy.
Anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is mentally ill!
And on and on and on. Its so annoying.
It's difference of opinion. Most of the people posting these threads don't actually back any of it up.
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Our constitution was not based on the bible or judeo chritian beliefs. It was based on romeo-greco and English/humanist reforms and laws. The founding fathers were mostly deists, not the zealot christians fundamentalists portray them to be. FACT
Not entirely true. Most of the founders were various Christian. The ones we all known and love the best are notably deists, particularly Franklin, Adams, and Jefferson.
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However, this country is based a Christian culture and while this should not influence laws at the FEDERAL level, it has a place in America and should be respected just as those who are atheist etc would like to be respected.
It isn't just about laws, but about delivering accurate information. The U.S. is second only to Turkey in number of believers in Creationism in the western world. Providing false and harmful information to your children is hardly a cultural difference. Not to mention Chrisitainity is the number one provayer of human rights "disagreements" as well.
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The FEDERAL govt. should not ever be legislating on social issues like Gay marriage.
Yes it should. If it didn't, the states would be years behind on civil rights. People would still be enslaved in the south.
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There is no part of the constituion that gives them any power to do this.
There are a number of ways we can approach it. 14th amendment is one. 13 is another. Article 1 Section 8 is another.
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Thus it should be given to the STATES. Idiots on both sides have used this push their agenda on parts of America that don't need or want it.
Doesn't actually matter what people want. The Federal Government is the law of the land, what they say cannot be superseded by the states. One of the things that uneqivocally needs to be protected are peoples rights, and those specifically are social issues.
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HOWEVER the states have full right to decide on social issues, if you don't like it, move somewhere else. No one is stopping you.
Simple can't agree. The states can control many things--the rights of people are not one of them.
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Liberals keep comparing healthcare to Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Britain etc. AMERICA IS NOT EVEN CLOSE DEMOGRAPHICALLY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES.
Fine, compare it to Canada. All of the above nations are western nations anyway with similar cultures to are. But Canada? A twin of the U.S., except people tend not to be as dumb.
None of these countries even have A THIRD of our population, a federal run healthcare system like the NHS is absurd.
Canada. And with less population Or, take the entire EU, which has more people, each nation runs a public health care, and they collectively have less debt than us. Your argument is falling apart.
By funding the states, which turns around and distributes its health plans to its citizens, you'd have an identical system.
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However, the number of people without insurance is absurd and the cost of health care is often too. ON THE STATE LEVEL, something must be done to create some sort of govt. health system that keeps the population healthy, offers free care, and focuses on PREVENTITIVE care. States compare to Euro countires, the US does not.
And the entire EU compares to the U.S., problem solved.
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We need to raise taxes on certain things. I'm CONSERVATIVE.
However, we need to cut, cut, cut WAY more to get this country in the black.
We don't need:
Dept of Education (Or teachers unions ) SHOULD be regulated on state level
We have public school systems, why wouldn't there be an oversight committee for it to set education standards, like the lack of aforementioned creationist propaganda?
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A war on drugs (Its failed and is a waste of money)
Involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya. Let them figure it out themselves.
A federal healthcare bereaucracy (You thought the military-indus. complex was big, just wait)
The difference between an industrial complex that kills and an industrial complex that saves? Besides, the beauracy wouldn't be providing health care, just paying for it.
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Regulations on small businesses, Obama has screwed over many more than he's helped.
I'll get back to you on this one.
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This super PC atttitude about keeping Christianity out of schools but allowing other religions a dispaportionate influence and acceptance in public schools to promote tolerance. All religions treated the same
Keep all religion out of schools. The difference between what Christianity wants (God created man, not apes!) and what other religions (is it all right if I wear my Jewish star?) is completely difference. One is expression, the other is a cultural monolithism. I think I might have invented a word here.
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The influence of lobbies on the political process. This is more a moral problem than anything
"Public bribery in plain sight." We need special interests groups to lobby the government for people who otherwise wouldn't have a voice. What we need to do is prevent them from pretty much bribing government officials. ZERO dollars can go from special interest groups to government officials. I can handle meetings all day, but any kind of "compensation" should be outlawed to prevent bias.
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We still need:
The EPA, we need to protect nature. However, resticting hunters and anglers, who donate more to conservation than any other group (Ducks Unlimited, CCA) while allowing international fishing corporations to devastate fisheries as the Obama admin. has is stupid. We protect what we love. Hands off.
And make everyone equal, BUT we can name things different things:
Should gay couples have equal rights. YES. Should it be called marriage? ASK THE STATES[/quote]
Arguing about what to call it is absolutely childish and irrelevant. It's discriminatory to have marriage for straights and civil unions for gays, even if they contain equal rights. People want to defend marriage from religious grounds. Well surprise, gay people are religious too, and to bar them from marrying because they are gay? Rubbish.
Anyone who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is mentally ill!
And on and on and on. Its so annoying.
Our constitution was not based on the bible or judeo chritian beliefs. It was based on romeo-greco and English/humanist reforms and laws. The founding fathers were mostly deists, not the zealot christians fundamentalists portray them to be. FACT
However, this country is based a Christian culture and while this should not influence laws at the FEDERAL level, it has a place in America and should be respected just as those who are atheist etc would like to be respected.
The FEDERAL govt. should not ever be legislating on social issues like Gay marriage. There is no part of the constituion that gives them any power to do this. Thus it should be given to the STATES. Idiots on both sides have used this push their agenda on parts of America that don't need or want it.
HOWEVER the states have full right to decide on social issues, if you don't like it, move somewhere else. No one is stopping you.
Liberals keep comparing healthcare to Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Britain etc. AMERICA IS NOT EVEN CLOSE DEMOGRAPHICALLY TO ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES. None of thes countries are in debt. None of these countries even have A THIRD of our population, a federal run healthcare system like the NHS is absurd.
However, the number of people without insurance is absurd and the cost of health care is often too. ON THE STATE LEVEL, something must be done to create some sort of govt. health system that keeps the population healthy, offers free care, and focuses on PREVENTITIVE care. States compare to Euro countires, the US does not.
We need to raise taxes on certain things. I'm CONSERVATIVE.
However, we need to cut, cut, cut WAY more to get this country in the black.
We don't need:
Dept of Education (Or teachers unions ) SHOULD be regulated on state level
A war on drugs (Its failed and is a waste of money)
Involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya. Let them figure it out themselves.
A federal healthcare bereaucracy (You thought the military-indus. complex was big, just wait)
Regulations on small businesses, Obama has screwed over many more than he's helped.
This super PC atttitude about keeping Christianity out of schools but allowing other religions a dispaportionate influence and acceptance in public schools to promote tolerance. All religions treated the same
The influence of lobbies on the political process. This is more a moral problem than anything
We still need:
The EPA, we need to protect nature. However, resticting hunters and anglers, who donate more to conservation than any other group (Ducks Unlimited, CCA) while allowing international fishing corporations to devastate fisheries as the Obama admin. has is stupid. We protect what we love. Hands off.
And make everyone equal, BUT we can name things different things:
Should gay couples have equal rights. YES. Should it be called marriage? ASK THE STATES
Affirmative action should be eliminated
Theres more but I'm rambling...
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