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Originally Posted by monkeywrenching
boy, could ever have a more biased poll?
maybe when you also start including the lieberals and demoncrats into the mix as well as the CON-servatives and rePublicans you will get a better poll.
both parties are responsible for the ballooning debt and both parties should take the blame for it.
of course it wont fly in dc, that is why i am all in favor of term limits for all politicians. give politicians term limits and they will not be able to screw the country up too bad before they are out of office for good.
So they even blame Bush for the additional run up in spending since 1/2009 ?
many of the expenses we face today area result of the direction we were pointed in under Bush....
The war
Medicare part D
Wall street bailout.
these are but a few items that pointed us in a downward spiral. The economy was left as it was imploding on itself and Repugs want to blame the new guy in town like he had much to do with it..
As an economy in general we spend our way out of depression.
many say Obama should have let the car industry collapse but they fail to realize how many people would have been left jobless. Then in order to buy cars we would have been buying foreign and tilted our balance of trade in the worse way.
So Obama saved the auto industry and it cost a relatively small investment yet millions of jobs were saved and had it been left to fail you would have asked where are our jobs... kind of like is being done anyway.
He stabilized the housing market... which you recall was also imploding. While it isn't perfect it is a far better picture than it was in 2008. With more stringent lending policies implemented many of the borrowers have quickly repayed the funds.
The clear facts are Bush inherited a budget surplus and immediately he reversed it and took us from 3t in debt to 10.5T. Our interest payments for a day would be more than enough to retire in style.
He pointed our economy towards ruination and people in an attempt to discredit Obama want to blame him... please anyone with a brain knows where this blame lies. While I don't like all of Obama's actions he has done half bad considering what he was handed.
My preferences would be:
End the wars.
cut military spending in half
stop the needles occupation in foreign lands
invest in renewable energies so individuals can be free from the power companies and the grid.... this will improve national security, jobs, and eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.
prosecute the people that caused our problems stop giving them a get out of jail card.
many of the expenses we face today area result of the direction we were pointed in under Bush....
The war
Medicare part D
Wall street bailout.
these are but a few items that pointed us in a downward spiral. The economy was left as it was imploding on itself and Repugs want to blame the new guy in town like he had much to do with it..
As an economy in general we spend our way out of depression.
many say Obama should have let the car industry collapse but they fail to realize how many people would have been left jobless. Then in order to buy cars we would have been buying foreign and tilted our balance of trade in the worse way.
So Obama saved the auto industry and it cost a relatively small investment yet millions of jobs were saved and had it been left to fail you would have asked where are our jobs... kind of like is being done anyway.
He stabilized the housing market... which you recall was also imploding. While it isn't perfect it is a far better picture than it was in 2008. With more stringent lending policies implemented many of the borrowers have quickly repayed the funds.
The clear facts are Bush inherited a budget surplus and immediately he reversed it and took us from 3t in debt to 10.5T. Our interest payments for a day would be more than enough to retire in style.
He pointed our economy towards ruination and people in an attempt to discredit Obama want to blame him... please anyone with a brain knows where this blame lies. While I don't like all of Obama's actions he has done half bad considering what he was handed.
My preferences would be:
End the wars.
cut military spending in half
stop the needles occupation in foreign lands
invest in renewable energies so individuals can be free from the power companies and the grid.... this will improve national security, jobs, and eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.
prosecute the people that caused our problems stop giving them a get out of jail card.
I agree, to some points, cut military spending in half, but also cut welfare spending by 95%. no need to give lazy people more money. also quit giving unions more tax payer dollars and stop giving all companies subsidies, and cut all corporation taxes down to 0%.
obama might not be the cause of the start of the recession, but he is in charge of the depression now and it is all his now. bush has been out of office for 3 years and still blaming bush for everything is just plain denial.
Winner for the most one sided poll this month on CD!
If anything it goes to show the complete political and economic illiteracy of this country and that people just take the lies spouted by the MSM as gospel.
Normally the 28% who get their news only from wingnut sources would agree with you
many of the expenses we face today area result of the direction we were pointed in under Bush....
The war
Medicare part D
Wall street bailout.
these are but a few items that pointed us in a downward spiral. The economy was left as it was imploding on itself and Repugs want to blame the new guy in town like he had much to do with it..
You got it.
The war with Afghanistan was not a war of any real choice, so I have no problems paying for that. Iraq, of course, was idiocy based on non-existent "vast stockpiles" of WMD, fictitious ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, and an imaginary intent (not to mention ability) of Iraq to attack the United States (from the British September Dossier, which the White House endlessly touted as the solemn truth).
Medicare Plan D? A good thing. Not paying for it? Foolish. But the Bush apologists couldn't be bothered to notice such foolishness when it past in 2003, and they still refuse to do so.
The bailouts? A necessary response to the fiasco handed to us by the Bush Administration. Something for which a lot of Republicans even voted (such as my Congressman -- though he now gutlessly claims he only did so because he was 'misled' and wishes he hadn't).
Let us all remember this fantastic quote from Vice President Dick Cheney:
"Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter".
But, again, could Republicans be bothered to utter a peep against Cheney when he made this statement in 2002? Of course not. When Republicans are in power, deficit spending doesn't matter one bit...
Every time I am about to write off America as a hopelessly dumb country where Republicans have brainwashed the people to serve and protect the interests of the corporate elite against their own, a glimmer of hope always emerges at the end of the tunnel that reminds me that our flag is still there.
A recent example of this is a new poll which confirms yet again that a majority of Americans still blame Bush and the Republicans for the bad economy that we have today. Even better, this poll also finds that an overwhelming majority of Americans favor a debt reduction package that includes not only spending cuts but also revenue increases by way of higher taxes for the rich. This not only proves that average Americans have the ability to see through Republicans and their bullsh*t but it also bodes well for the President and the Democrats as they try to make their case next year that Republicans are bad stewards of the economy and cannot be trusted with the full faith and credit of the United States of America (as we see again with this debt ceiling crisis where the Republicans are jockeying for default instead of a solution to the problem).
As you would expect, teabaggers and other Koch loving Republicans are furious with the results of the poll (judging by their comments under the Yahoo article discussing the poll). Instead of accepting the facts, they immediately started attacking the poll's validity and calling Americans stupid for having the nerve to rightly blame Bush and the Republicans for the economic mess.
It seems like Republicans never stop to let facts or reality get in their way. If it doesn't fit their ideology it must be false. Unfortunately for them as Stephen Colbert once said, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." If Republicans don't start accepting this simple fact, life will forever be very miserable for them.
there are many problems right now, that caused the economy to collapse.......the main two.........JOBS and HOUSING...and they go back to BEFORE bush
let this INFORM you, these problems stem from: 1993, 1995, and 1999 and you can thank the liberals for it, and most of it goes back to the clinton era. why because ECONOMICS run in 10(+/-4) year CYCLES and what we are facing NOW is in DIRECT RELATION to what happened back in the 90's
1993 NAFTA( and its following other freetrade agreements)------originally pushed by Brezezenki and his puppet Carter....moved along by Reagan----negotiated by another brezezenki puppet bush1--- passed in 1993 by the democrat controlled congress, pushed by clinton, signed by clinton------inceased with CAFTA by bush2------the consequence ...... 60+ million HIGH PAYING jobs have been lost, 2 trillion worth of debt from the lost wages.(and obamy wants to increase it too,,,hmmm)
1995 clinton (through his chief of HUD (Henry Cisneros and later his second chief andrew coumo(now the governor of New York)) eased the rules on obtaining mortgages allowing more 'exotic' mortgages and 'no-doc/low doc' mortgages---------the consequence ............housing SKYROCKETED causing low inventories causing a 'not normal' increase in home prices, sellers got greedy, buyers got even greedier (looking to PROFIT in a skyrocketing market by flipping) and bought THINKING that prices would still increase and their ADJUSTABLE mortgage would pay it self off in MINIMUMAL years...EVEN THOUGH THESE INCREASES IN HOME VALUES WERE TOTALLY UNHEARD OF, AND MORTGAGE RATES WERE AT 40 YEAR LOWS( what did they think an adjustable mortgage gotten at 40 year lows would do in the term(3 months-3years) when it adjusted...of course it would go up, their CONTRACT even said after the term it would be 6% PLUS PRIME)))
For many potential homebuyers, the lack of cash available to accumulate the required downpayment and closing costs is the major impediment to purchasing a home. Other households do not have sufficient available income to to make the monthly payments on mortgages financed at market interest rates for standard loan terms. Financing strategies, fueled by the creativity and resources of the private and public sectors, should address both of these financial barriers to homeownership."
The above is the start of the mortgage meltdon: Clinton's National Homeownership Strategy
1996 clinton signed The Telecommunications Act of 1996 (The Act was claimed to foster competition. Instead, it allowed industry consolidation whose actions reduced the number of major media companies from around 30 in 1993 to 10 in 1996, and reducing the 10 in 1996 to 6 in 2005.) causing MONOPOLIES, which can RAISE PRICES
1998 clinton does not allow drilling for OUR OWN OIL..the liberals say 'it will take ten years before we seee the oil'...guess what its been ten years
1999 Clinton DEREGULATES the banking industry
2000 clinton signs the China trade bill
2000 clinton signs the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000..(which paves the way for ENRON)
2000/1 clinton pushes to get china into the world bank
2003/4/5 republicans try to reighn in fanny and freddie...the liberal opposition leaders (barney frank and cris Dodd) say "there is nothing wrong with fanny/freddy..its a witch hunt"........boy does barney have egg on his face now
for the last 8years liberals are complaining that Bush is spending 'out of control".....yet since they took over in 2007 the debt has gone from 8.5 trillion to over 14 trillion.......
that's just policies from the 90's...we have many, many more that are killing us..from the 40's, 50's, 60's ,70's, 80's, 00's, and now the 10's
As you can see, of the last 27 polls between President Obama and an actual named Republican, President Obama leads... in every last one of those polls. Going back even further, through the last 68 head-to-head polls, Obama leads in 66 of those polls. Romney leads in precisely one (from six weeks ago). And one is a tie.
Of course, I expect the race to tighten and numerous polls to show each candidate in the lead, no matter who the Republican nominee ends up being. This is always true in every race. Twenty-eight years ago, in 1983, former Vice President Walter Mondale and Senator John Glenn were both beating President Reagan in hypothetical 1984 matchups. And we all know how that turned out. McCain beat Obama is some polls. Kerry beat Bush in some polls. Polls, whether the single vague one you cherry-picked or the dozens of more specific ones I pointed out, are all but meaningless 16 months out from the election.
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