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Old 07-18-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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But boards of directors and CFOs get leniency.
How often do your boards of directors beat anyone physically?
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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that link works.

I can't see how a jury will find him guilty of anything but simple assault.
There was a planned activity involved so pure passion wasn't really involved. I would do the trick right after learning about the act instead of hauling him someplace else to do it.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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I sympathize with the father in this situation, but this is too far. Does he deserve a life sentence? Of course not. But neither should he be able to walk away from this. I can understand and sympathize with the father here without condoning the vigilantism here.
Exactly. While I definitely sympathize with the stepfather here. What he did was not out of rage. He purposely took this piece of s--t to the middle of nowhere to do this.

I think he should either get a long term of probation or a short prison sentence. What he did was extreme, but it is forgivable given the circumstances.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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Exactly. While I definitely sympathize with the stepfather here. What he did was not out of rage. He purposely took this piece of s--t to the middle of nowhere to do this.

I think he should either get a long term of probation or a short prison sentence. What he did was extreme, but it is forgivable given the circumstances.
You guys are nuts.

The dude committed an act of justice.

Justice delayed is justice denied.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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Despite your half-full out look, I think that it is more than safe to say that child molesters and murders will never be a "protected" class unless protection refers to be securely isolated from the greater community.
But rapists almost always get light sentences.......those that ever see a court in the first place. (just making reference to Calvinists' post)

Plus, my own personal experience of going through a child molestation case year ago showed me that the molester will also go free if the prosecution thinks they can't win. Even though she was only three years old. The detectives who worked the case were spectacular. The prosecuters should be doing time in jail right along with the perpetrators. The DA's office lost the file for six months, and once inquiry to the detective working the case was done, he got on the prosecutors, but nothing came of it. Of course, this child wasn't White and she was poor.

I hate rapists and I hate child molesters and I hate the G'damned prosecuters who won't prosecute if they think they won't win.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Exactly. While I definitely sympathize with the stepfather here. What he did was not out of rage. He purposely took this piece of s--t to the middle of nowhere to do this.

I think he should either get a long term of probation or a short prison sentence. What he did was extreme, but it is forgivable given the circumstances.

Extreme?

It was arguably premeditated, not an act of passion but I think there is a valid argument for executing child molestors so I have a hard time equating a father beating the molestor of his child as extreme. I have daughters myself though, so perhaps I lose some objectivity there.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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Unfortunately the modern legal system has redefined the meaning of peer.
It means, other pedos.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:37 AM
 
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Despite your half-full out look, I think that it is more than safe to say that child molesters and murders will never be a "protected" class unless protection refers to be securely isolated from the greater community.
The same used to be said of homosexuals.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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You guys are nuts.

The dude committed an act of justice.

Justice delayed is justice denied.
It's called the "Rule of Law". In other words, we cannot allow vigilante justice. If he beat the s--t out of the guy on the spot or even killed the guy, I wouldn't have an issue at all and I would wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't go to prison. Extreme emotional disturbance. The fact that he rounded up a posse and took the guy out to an area to torture him is a little different.

And if you believe in an eye for an eye in very literal terms, all you need to do is throw in a bit of sexual assault and the molester has paid his debt.

On a little less glib note. I would also like to point out that the article also mentions at least one case where a man was falsely accused of child molestation and killed by the father. While that is another understandable reaction, the man who was killed was innocent. Would it be an acceptable reaction for the friends and family of the victim get together and kill the man who wrongfully killed their family member? What if they decided to break out the pliers and a blowtorch? Would that be another excusable action? After all, they lost someone they care about because instead of even measuring the validity of the accusation, he murdered another man.

I am not some wishy-washy liberal who is against self-defense nor do I believe that violent criminals should get off. However, vigilante justice has historically been one of the worst forms of justice on virtually every level.
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:48 AM
 
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It's called the "Rule of Law". In other words, we cannot allow vigilante justice. If he beat the s--t out of the guy on the spot or even killed the guy, I wouldn't have an issue at all and I would wholeheartedly agree that he shouldn't go to prison. Extreme emotional disturbance. The fact that he rounded up a posse and took the guy out to an area to torture him is a little different.

And if you believe in an eye for an eye in very literal terms, all you need to do is throw in a bit of sexual assault and the molester has paid his debt.

On a little less glib note. I would also like to point out that the article also mentions at least one case where a man was falsely accused of child molestation and killed by the father. While that is another understandable reaction, the man who was killed was innocent. Would it be an acceptable reaction for the friends and family of the victim get together and kill the man who wrongfully killed their family member? What if they decided to break out the pliers and a blowtorch? Would that be another excusable action? After all, they lost someone they care about because instead of even measuring the validity of the accusation, he murdered another man.

I am not some wishy-washy liberal who is against self-defense nor do I believe that violent criminals should get off. However, vigilante justice has historically been one of the worst forms of justice on virtually every level.
A time machine would have to be built to perform the type of eye for eye justice you describe.

The guy was caught in his home molesting his daughter. There was no doubt. He got what was coming. Probably a good thing he didn't kill him as now he will have the snot beat and raped out of him in prison for the next twenty years.
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