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Old 07-26-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Yes, it is silly, and you have totally missed the point... so let's restate the point.

Smart phone data plans cost $30 - $80 per month. Cable TV costs $30 - $150 per month. EVERY month.

Many of us do not agree with people on government assistance having these unnecessary expensive items. Nobody cares that they have a 7 year old VCR.

Where have you gotten the idea that people on government assistance have smartphones with data plans?
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Yes, it is silly, and you have totally missed the point... so let's restate the point.

Smart phone data plans cost $30 - $80 per month. Cable TV costs $30 - $150 per month. EVERY month.

Many of us do not agree with people on government assistance having these unnecessary expensive items. Nobody cares that they have a 7 year old VCR.
As said over and over again: That $60 - $230 saved will NOT keep a family out of poverty and fed. If a family collects welfare the caseworker is not going to say, "Oh, I see you are not paying for phone and cable anymore. Therefore we are going to lower your monthly food stamps and cash payment." It just does not work that way. Benefits do not go down unless income goes up.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:20 PM
 
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It is just super being poor in America. Why according to what we see on TV the poor are living the good life. The worst part of this is that most Americans believe it. Maybe because it is easier not to really look. The news out of Knoxville almost every night is asking for food donations for students who go home, (car, motel, bridge, or park), hungry every night. The Salvation Army in Kingsport Tn charges $6 a night per person. I have met families with no place to live and not even $6 to get out of the cold. I met people who camp in the woods and hunt their own food. They can't afford .22's so they have to hunt with pellet guns. As the school year approaches the News media is once again asking for school donations, pencils, erasers, etc., so children have have the basic items to attend a class. One man in Kingsport was given six months in jail for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family. Yea they're living the good life alright.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:25 PM
 
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In Las Vegas, I worked at the soup kitchen, people came in there, better dressed than me, driving better cars, with brand new cell phones. And when I worked Medicaid, I would interview women in "poverty" who had Juicy Couture bags, Dolce Gabbana sunglasses, Louis Vittion wallets, with fully done nails, wigs, make up...stuff I could never afford on a state worker salary. I always wondered about that...yet, they filled out financials, stating no income. And they had no money recieved under their social...but...they were working for cash, many of them, while recieving benefits.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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It is just super being poor in America. Why according to what we see on TV the poor are living the good life. The worst part of this is that most Americans believe it. Maybe because it is easier not to really look. The news out of Knoxville almost every night is asking for food donations for students who go home, (car, motel, bridge, or park), hungry every night. The Salvation Army in Kingsport Tn charges $6 a night per person. I have met families with no place to live and not even $6 to get out of the cold. I met people who camp in the woods and hunt their own food. They can't afford .22's so they have to hunt with pellet guns. As the school year approaches the News media is once again asking for school donations, pencils, erasers, etc., so children have have the basic items to attend a class. One man in Kingsport was given six months in jail for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family. Yea they're living the good life alright.
People suffering don't enter into their conscience thought, therefore they don't have to carry any guilt for their failures to help.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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Well it's true. While a very small number it showed up on the survey of amenities that the moderate poor have.

I'd almost say that the moderate poor receiving some government assistance might be living better than the working class poor that get no government assistance.

These people may not have been poor at the time they got their jacuzzi and they had a bad accident and lousy health insurance, then lost their job, or .......
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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American taxpayers subsidize the poor, not the rich.
Get with the program and stop the envy whine.
American taxpayers subsidize people who do nothing too.
That gets me steamed. Food stamps buying steaks, and
Lobster. People who sit on their ass and I pay their bills.

The rich pay for what they get.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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Where have you gotten the idea that people on government assistance have smartphones with data plans?
thats the only answer.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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In Las Vegas, I worked at the soup kitchen, people came in there, better dressed than me, driving better cars, with brand new cell phones. And when I worked Medicaid, I would interview women in "poverty" who had Juicy Couture bags, Dolce Gabbana sunglasses, Louis Vittion wallets, with fully done nails, wigs, make up...stuff I could never afford on a state worker salary. I always wondered about that...yet, they filled out financials, stating no income. And they had no money recieved under their social...but...they were working for cash, many of them, while recieving benefits.
have you ever heard of knock-offs?.............but to think that there are not lots and lots of people actually cheating the system is nuts. Even liberals know this...but in the interest of feeding the truly hungry, taking care of the truly needy,the aged, the children, the handicapped, the homeless families needing temporary help.....we have to understand that it isn't possible to check each and every person applying for help. We couldn't afford all the "government" workers necessary to do that. The system could realy use, not only cleaning up, but streamlining for sure, just as is true with ANY government program. That does not mean that the program sucks...only that their are abuses that need fixing.
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Old 07-26-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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This is a 60 page thread and I only read 2 pages in and skipped to the end. I'm pretty sure I can summarized half the posts as saying the poor have it so well. Right. It would be smart to think that a poor person having all of this is the exception to the rule. Anyway, since PO&C is the mecca of all internet knowledge, what do you think is appropriate for a poor person to have? Or would you prefer a "let them have cake" approach since you really dont think they are poor. sheesh.
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