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Old 07-19-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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"§ 4501. Definitions
As used in this chapter:
(1) "Place of public accommodation" means any school, restaurant, store, establishment or other facility at which services, facilities, goods, privileges, advantages, benefits or accommodations are offered to the general public."


A rental hall is clearly covered by the law.

The Vermont Statutes Online
The Supreme Court has already ruled it legal to discriminate against gays
  1. DeSantis v. Pacific Telephone and Telegraph
  2. Ulane v. Eastern Airlines, 742 F.2d 1081 (7th Cir.1984)
And state laws, like state courts, cant override federal ones.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:54 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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This isn't forcing others to follow liberal morality. This is about FOLLOWING THE LAW. You, I and everyone else has to follow the law, so does a business.
The so-called law, though, was written by homosexual activists with the intent of forcing their ideas of morality on others. It violates the first amendment and is no law at all.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It has to do with violating their religion. You know precisely why I posted that link.
Their religion is not violated because they can't discriminate against gays. Fact is you can't BREAK THE LAW and use religion as cover, whether it be about gays, race, ethnicity, or anything else, you can't BREAK THE LAW.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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So you're telling me you should be allowed to impose your secular beliefs on others, simply because they are secular and not religious?
If those "secular beliefs" include the equal protection of the laws and due process on things such as civil rights and anti-discrimination, then yes. It's a secular country. Secular laws trump religious laws.

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It's wrong. You shouldn't have the right to tell me or anyone else what services to provide on our own private property. It's as simple as that, and if you believe that business owners should be forced to provide services that they don't want to provide, you can not claim to believe in freedom and private property rights.
If you are providing a public service, I have every right to tell you what you can and can't discriminate against. If you want to discriminate, don't open it to the public.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:57 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Is that why the ACLU officially banned all communists from joining in 1940? Just because it was founded by a supporter, doesn't mean he didn't oppose communism early in the ACLU's history.
Bad press in a nation very anti-communist. The communists remained, their agenda remained the same and their tactics remained the same. Considering the founder is quoted as saying he intended to portray the ACLU as fighting for American values of liberty, etc., when in fact promoting communism, atheism, etc., I don't see why later actions taken for public relations purposes should be trusted.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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Their religion is not violated because they can't discriminate against gays. Fact is you can't BREAK THE LAW and use religion as cover, whether it be about gays, race, ethnicity, or anything else, you can't BREAK THE LAW.
The law should protect the owners of private property. The law shouldn't mandate the services I provide based on your definition of what's right and wrong. Therefore, this law is wrong. I believe it to be unconstitutional as well, but we all know the constitution means **** to liberals.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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Definitely bad juju to take money from a church. These girls could get the same bad karma the TSA agents are getting (cancer) for fondling little girls.
It's not a church, it's an inn.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Oh well, no matter what happens that lesbo couple will never get married in that inn. I'd hate to see how people in their town would react if these girls took money from a respected business.

Oh, and their careers could be finished. Hard to sue for discrimination when it comes to employers hiring or firing people.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:58 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Their religion is not violated because they can't discriminate against gays. Fact is you can't BREAK THE LAW and use religion as cover, whether it be about gays, race, ethnicity, or anything else, you can't BREAK THE LAW.
The first amendment is the law and this state statute violates it.

Forcing them to take part in the promotion of homosexuality is violating their religion in a serious way.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It would be a real conundrum for *******s if a mosque was prohibiting two lesbians from getting married.
No, because is most cases religious Institutions (including CHURCHES) do not have to marry someone if they don't want to. Religious Institutions are generally exempt from the anti-discrimination laws, however a business is not.
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