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Old 07-20-2011, 12:57 PM
 
Location: FL
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Does this mean they're ready to stop playing juvenile games and do something constructive?
Highly unlikely.
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Old 07-20-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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Not one credible economist is saying we will default and everyone I have heard says the debt ceiling must be raised.
Casper
Imagine that. No mainstream economists want to rock the boat. Just like they were silent about the incoming doom of 2008 economic collapse.

$14 trillion+ hole buddy, how do you think America will get out that? Does every employed Americans have $100,000 lying around to pay that? Nope, not even close. Default is in the card, that's how it always play out, historically.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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The GOP controlled House needs to work with the Dems in the House AND work with the Dems and Repubs in the Senate Prior to passing a Bill in the House. That is IF they really want to get it passed through the Senate and sent on to the Whitehouse. That is how it is supposed to work, that is not what is hapening, meaning Bills go back and forth between the House and Senate, which is wasting time. Either work together or get out of the way, something the Voters can cure.
Casper
Kinda like the health care bill?

The House is doing what the voters want them to do. What a way to be an elected Representative.

I don't see the dems in the Senate trying to work with the repubs.

it is always the same with the dem supporters. When the dems are in charge they don't include the repubs, don't work with them, just ramrod everything through. But, when they aren't in charge the repubs should work with them.

We have seen this movie before.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Kinda like the health care bill?

The House is doing what the voters want them to do. What a way to be an elected Representative.

I don't see the dems in the Senate trying to work with the repubs.

it is always the same with the dem supporters. When the dems are in charge they don't include the repubs, don't work with them, just ramrod everything through. But, when they aren't in charge the repubs should work with them.

We have seen this movie before.
Yes we have, it is called "two wrongs do not make a right".
Casper
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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The GOP controlled House needs to work with the Dems in the House AND work with the Dems and Repubs in the Senate Prior to passing a Bill in the House. That is IF they really want to get it passed through the Senate and sent on to the Whitehouse. That is how it is supposed to work, that is not what is hapening, meaning Bills go back and forth between the House and Senate, which is wasting time. Either work together or get out of the way, something the Voters can cure.
Casper


We need to REPEAL the 17th Amendment and go back to having senators appointed by the State legislatures. They are supposed to be representing the "will of the state" they are from. Today, they act like a royal "prince" and pretend to represent "national issues".

When states elected senators, they exercised the power of instruction—they could direct their senators to vote a certain way on important matters.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Kinda like the health care bill?

The House is doing what the voters want them to do. What a way to be an elected Representative.

I don't see the dems in the Senate trying to work with the repubs.

it is always the same with the dem supporters. When the dems are in charge they don't include the repubs, don't work with them, just ramrod everything through. But, when they aren't in charge the repubs should work with them.

We have seen this movie before.
70% or more want a compromise solution to the debt issue. CC & BS is not a compromise in anybody's mind. Also HC Reform is favorded by most of America.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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But one must wonder why they are doing it. It's just more tea bagger lunacy and proves, once again, that the GOP has gone off the deep end. From Reuters:


TEABAGGERS: "We do nid no college educated eco-nom-isists tell'in us wa'mak's synce."
I love it, the liberal playbook right there. Make fun of your opponent, the party of love and tolerance at work. Yes, let's keep right on doing the exact same thing that got us into this mess, spend more than we take in. Weren't you liberals screaming over the spending during the Bush administration? Yet, now that a D is in office and spending even more, it's OK all of a sudden. I ****ing hate this political partisan bull****. Either it's OK to spend like a drunken sailor, no matter the ****ing party, or it's not OK. Make up your ****ing minds, you stupid liberal idiots. See, I can play the name calling card as well.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I love it, the liberal playbook right there. Make fun of your opponent, the party of love and tolerance at work. Yes, let's keep right on doing the exact same thing that got us into this mess, spend more than we take in. Weren't you liberals screaming over the spending during the Bush administration? Yet, now that a D is in office and spending even more, it's OK all of a sudden. I ****ing hate this political partisan bull****. Either it's OK to spend like a drunken sailor, no matter the ****ing party, or it's not OK. Make up your ****ing minds, you stupid liberal idiots. See, I can play the name calling card as well.
When in my car, sometimes I use the gas and sometimes I use the brakes. That doesn't make me inconsistent. It just means that under different circumstances different actions are required.

To voice that fiscal and monetary policy should be the same, whether unemployment is 5% in a growing period or unemployment is 9.2% in a recession, is idiotic. Bush should have generating surpluses in the (relatively) good years just so that we could be stimulating the economy with those surpluses now -- instead of having to borrow money. That's just ECO 101.

Instead, Bush lowered taxes on the rich and generated deficits that we now have nothing to show for it.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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When in my car, sometimes I use the gas and sometimes I use the brakes. That doesn't make me inconsistent. It just means that under different circumstances different actions are required.

To voice that fiscal and monetary policy should be the same, whether unemployment is 5% in a growing period or unemployment is 9.2% in a recession, is idiotic. Bush should have generating surpluses in the (relatively) good years just so that we could be stimulating the economy with those surpluses now -- instead of having to borrow money. That's just ECO 101.

Instead, Bush lowered taxes on the rich and generated deficits that we now have nothing to show for it.
Bush just dived up the US wealth to his pals. Nothing new there for a "good" Heritage Foundation Conservative. He just over did it to a near collapse.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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Yes we have, it is called "two wrongs do not make a right".
Casper
I don't recall many dems clamoring for the dems to work with the repubs when the dems had control. Which your statement is exactly what I was posting about.

In the house, he who has the majority, rules. it has been that way for years and years and years.

"We have to vote on it to find out what is in it". Sound familiar?

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